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Steve Polhill 11-08-2019 01:40 PM

Re: Where did the FWD stockers go?
 
My Escort is sitting in my garage for the winter. I race it a little at the Can Am Series and bring it to Indy When the Comp car is broke. Still runs 95 under. It was my first car so I doubt I will ever sell it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swuK...ature=youtu.be

The Hawk 11-08-2019 08:06 PM

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Awesome memory Steve! Thanks

Mark Yacavone 11-08-2019 09:08 PM

Re: Where did the FWD stockers go?
 
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Originally Posted by Steve Polhill (Post 601312)
My Escort is sitting in my garage for the winter. I race it a little at the Can Am Series and bring it to Indy When the Comp car is broke. Still runs 95 under. It was my first car so I doubt I will ever sell it.

Nice run..I could do without the 1 Mississippi nonsense ..Rather hear the car any day.
;-)

jmcarter 11-09-2019 10:32 AM

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Steve your Indy showing with the Escort is indeed memorable, you probably enjoyed Darrick Ellam’s Vegas Divisional last year since it reminded me of your Indy. Don’t see how anybody could root against the slow stockers, they are all beyond cool in my book. We need Jim Wahl to chime in with some of his FWD exploits.

Dave Noll 11-10-2019 02:00 AM

Re: Where did the FWD stockers go?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Polhill (Post 601312)
My Escort is sitting in my garage for the winter. I race it a little at the Can Am Series and bring it to Indy When the Comp car is broke. Still runs 95 under. It was my first car so I doubt I will ever sell it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swuK...ature=youtu.be

Love the video. Question if you don't mind. Steve, do you run a stick? It looks like you've been racing your Escort for a while. How well do the transaxles hold up for you?

Billy Nees 11-10-2019 09:57 AM

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I've always thought that it would be interesting to look into putting the FWD cars into the RWD classes with a 4-5 lb. per hp. weight break.

Mike Jones 11-10-2019 10:24 AM

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Billy, should I get popcorn?

Mark Yacavone 11-10-2019 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 601044)
If anyone is thinking about trying this, I want to show you what a 7 second and 50 mph difference looks like . Add a couple more seconds to that, in today's NHRA.

https://i.postimg.cc/0NQsXtn7/scan0005.jpg

Two things noticeable about this pic.
1, It is a Divisional race from the 80's ,with plenty of spectators, watching real ,every day cars.
2, Every head in the place is turned towards the finish line . There must be more than one "race car" out there, in their minds.

Dave Noll 11-10-2019 04:34 PM

Re: Where did the FWD stockers go?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 601402)
I've always thought that it would be interesting to look into putting the FWD cars into the RWD classes with a 4-5 lb. per hp. weight break.

Uh ...... That would put my Escort at 440 lbs.

Billy Nees 11-10-2019 04:53 PM

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If we add Yac's 26 lb. class, with a 5 lb. break it would weigh 2015, with a 4 lb. break it would weigh 2105. Right now for EF it has to weigh 2370.
I know that those cars are light but I don't know if it could be lightened THAT much!
.........................................Never mind.............................................. .........................

Dave Noll 11-10-2019 09:45 PM

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Oh, That. Sorry

Mines at 2420 with me in it now. His, don't know :rolleyes:

Jim Wahl 11-10-2019 11:19 PM

Re: Where did the FWD stockers go?
 
The Cimarron was in storage for years and I was told it had been stolen. My Spirit (Artie Leongs old car) that I ran for many years I sold after I bought George Widuch's Volare Stocker. The Spirit was completely redone and looks beautiful but as far as I know is just sitting in a garage. I also had a SRT4 Neon that I ran in A/FS but I sold that also. At one time I owned the A-D/FS records all at once. Those little cars are a lot of fun but very difficult to drive competitively. All in all I had 18 National Records, 36 class wins and no race wins. Fun times! Jim


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Steve Polhill 11-11-2019 06:24 PM

Re: Where did the FWD stockers go?
 
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Originally Posted by Dave Noll (Post 601395)
Love the video. Question if you don't mind. Steve, do you run a stick? It looks like you've been racing your Escort for a while. How well do the transaxles hold up for you?

Hey Dave. Yes I run a stick. It makes it more fun. The Trans doesn't hold up well once you start Leaning on them hard. The Diff's are an issue, second gear syncro's are a problem and the cases don't like being abused. I have more money in the transaxle than I do in the engine.

Dave Noll 11-12-2019 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Polhill (Post 601534)
Hey Dave. Yes I run a stick. It makes it more fun. The Trans doesn't hold up well once you start Leaning on them hard. The Diff's are an issue, second gear syncro's are a problem and the cases don't like being abused. I have more money in the transaxle than I do in the engine.

Hmm, looks like I better stock up on these transaxles. Unless you know of a supplier for internals of these gearboxes? Yes, its more fun rowing gears.:D

Steve Polhill 11-12-2019 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Noll (Post 601564)
Hmm, looks like I better stock up on these transaxles. Unless you know of a supplier for internals of these gearboxes? Yes, its more fun rowing gears.:D

The Junk yard is the best supply of parts LOL. Sadly they are getting hard to find. Last time I needed something I went to Liberty Gears. I've got mine to the point where it's pretty reliable. It's a bit slower but I don't have to bring a spare trans with me everywhere I go.

Send me a PM I'll give you some tips.

Mark Yacavone 11-12-2019 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Noll (Post 601564)
Hmm, looks like I better stock up on these transaxles. Unless you know of a supplier for internals of these gearboxes? Yes, its more fun rowing gears.:D

Dave, I've heard that the early 4 speed was stronger that the late 5 speed..I guess we'll see.
We never broke any of the early stuff. We used just enough rpm to hit the tree. Didn't try to rotate the earth on every pass.

DonatoEng 11-12-2019 02:06 PM

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I still have my 91 Daytona stick car. Been thinking of getting it out again next year.

Dave Noll 11-13-2019 12:24 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Polhill (Post 601580)
The Junk yard is the best supply of parts LOL. Sadly they are getting hard to find. Last time I needed something I went to Liberty Gears. I've got mine to the point where it's pretty reliable. It's a bit slower but I don't have to bring a spare trans with me everywhere I go.

Send me a PM I'll give you some tips.

Will Do.

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Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 601582)
Dave, I've heard that the early 4 speed was stronger that the late 5 speed..I guess we'll see.
We never broke any of the early stuff. We used just enough rpm to hit the tree. Didn't try to rotate the earth on every pass.

I was looking through a catalog for rebuild kits for these and it looks like the earlier units have a larger input shaft bearing, so I'm getting that impression Mark. So a 5K clutch dump might be a bit much? A few times I was tempted to try what the ricer guys are doing and just put it on the rev limiter, 6200 in my case. Fear got the best of me.

Mark Yacavone 11-13-2019 02:12 AM

Re: Where did the FWD stockers go?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Noll (Post 601627)
Will Do.



I was looking through a catalog for rebuild kits for these and it looks like the earlier units have a larger input shaft bearing, so I'm getting that impression Mark. So a 5K clutch dump might be a bit much? A few times I was tempted to try what the ricer guys are doing and just put it on the rev limiter, 6200 in my case. Fear got the best of me.

Not sure that the hydraulic clutch doesn't dampen it a bit.... 1.9, EFI might do just fine at 4 K

Dave Noll 11-13-2019 05:11 PM

Re: Where did the FWD stockers go?
 
Without a posi (or welded 🕷️ gears) getting a burnout that yielded a 60ft better than no burnout happened only once. That was the 2.15. That one bit but everything else is spinning a little. The waterbox guys tell me it spins one side a little and then the other. So I don't think I'll bother with a burnout anymore. Until I get the diff fixed, I can't accurately say how it "hits". 4k was a decent leave.

Mike Schwartz 11-13-2019 09:27 PM

Re: Where did the FWD stockers go?
 
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Originally Posted by Dave Noll (Post 601627)
Will Do.

I was looking through a catalog for rebuild kits for these and it looks like the earlier units have a larger input shaft bearing, so I'm getting that impression Mark. So a 5K clutch dump might be a bit much? A few times I was tempted to try what the ricer guys are doing and just put it on the rev limiter, 6200 in my case. Fear got the best of me.

There's an opportunity for someone to try it, because the 2006-7 Honda Civic SI is in the Classification Guide.

Steve Polhill 11-14-2019 01:21 PM

Re: Where did the FWD stockers go?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Noll (Post 601697)
Without a posi (or welded 🕷️ gears) getting a burnout that yielded a 60ft better than no burnout happened only once. That was the 2.15. That one bit but everything else is spinning a little. The waterbox guys tell me it spins one side a little and then the other. So I don't think I'll bother with a burnout anymore. Until I get the diff fixed, I can't accurately say how it "hits". 4k was a decent leave.


If you aren't going to run a Posi/Spool don't do a burnout. With one wheel spinning faster than the other the side gears stick to the diff pin. That snaps the retaining bolt, the pin comes out hits the case and cracks it wide open. Ask me how I know LOL

Billy Nees 02-11-2020 10:13 AM

Re: Where did the FWD stockers go?
 
Well, we know where one of them is and it's looking for a new home!

jmcarter 02-11-2020 10:47 AM

Re: Where did the FWD stockers go?
 
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Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 608057)
Well, we know where one of them is and it's looking for a new home!

The car Mark is advertising is a great buy IMO, have thought about snapping it up to run during the summer in the PNW when we’re out there. I’ve gone to Divisional races at Mission, Bremerton (National Open), Woodburn (great little track), Pacific etc. but spectating is hard to do....please, somebody buy it already!


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