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Tom P..... This should probably be another post, but we can all watch as all the new cars, Dodge, Ford, and Chevy "SHOWROOM SPEC COMBOS" are approved by NHRA. You really didn't think all the Copos, Drag Pacs, and Cobra Jets were gonna stay in factory stock classes did you ? This is why it's so important to get the classes and especially the indexes for the classes correct right now. "OR" there's gonna be a lot of older car class combos really left in the dust ! You heard it here first ! As hard as it is to swallow , if done correctly it's good for Stock Drag Racing, NHRA, and the manufactures.

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NHRA did the right thing by moving them. A little late but correct so why would they put them back in ? Showroom Spec? Basically the same as the all out race cars? Certainly not stock. I like the new cars don't get me wrong. I just think that nc heads manifolds, huge roller cams, 4 link, custom EFI and so on do not belong in stock. None of those cars approved had the index in the same zip code as the car. Instant hitters. I have witnessed a new car (drove it off the lot fully registered and their daily driver) at the drag races with a great driver and great tuning skills run extremely fast and very competitive. I have to tell you, I was blown away that this engine and trans combo was that fast. This is their production car, not a factory race car. Do you think they could get it in the books? No! They (the MFG) would not allow it. Probably because it was not a second or more under but very close.
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So Barry, you've paid no attention to Jeff Teutons beautiful B/SA Drag Pac Challenger ? That combo is totally approved,legal, showroom Spec. It's a perfect example of what's to come. And it's not gonna stop at Mopar.

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Yes Jim I see that and no doubt its a nice car. Is that a dragpac/hellcat with the hood changed and some other goodies or is it a real show room registered car? I totally agree on what's to come. In my opinion, because they spent 100K plus on a factory race car does not ENTITLE you to a second under (or more) combo and certainly not in conventional stock eliminator. I am sure the BIG 3 will disagree... It is ruining the class. Again, I like the new cars. I just think they have no place running in the same class as conventional stock cars. It is a slap in the face to the guys who have worked their tails off.

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I was the one that got the slap in the fifth round at Vegas last year in a heads up by Scott Burton. I was in the 2013 pink car

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Yea right Larry. Was it part of the famous contract you were telling people about? Scott is a great guy and drives a fast car but it has nothing for a car that is 100 HP soft. So don't even start.

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Barry, The showroom street legal new cars will run in the regular Stock classes not FS classes.

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Bruce what are you talking about? I do not roll over and play dead, I would sell you into prostitution for a nickel for a heads up win. Please understand that is nothing personal just racing.

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You can't sell what you don't own. Again, your excuse is not quite accurate. That car had a few issues. Did it not? We all understand your communication style. But, none of us are deceived by your attempts. Glen Gray of nhra told me he knew the car was 80-100 HP soft. But the poor guy has no real clout and had to sit by and watch Jeff slide that car with the illegal air hood right into the guide. Yes, I know Jeff got some fancy paperwork for the hood. So still no sale.

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Bruce I won't get in the middle of Mr. Larry proving his point with you being an example but I will if you would like I will go take a pic of my mothers driver that is the exact replica of the pink car's(color and all) hood and show you that it's the exact hood that comes from the factory. Just remember when you point a finger you have three aiming back at cha!

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The cool part a what about what you think is wrong about the fresh air hood, is that at Indy last year. A street 2013 car had the same hood and was parked a few trailers down from where Jeff was parked, NHRA looked at both.


I was racing the car for breast cancer awareness and all moneys won was donated to that cause. I would loved to handed them the winners check, but not to be, Scott beat the snot out of me and the new car.


But we are a little closer to him this year!


This has nothing to do with the 10.60 index, sorry

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You're going to need a few more fingers. So, this is the word on the hood on the pink car. It supposedly had or has a 2010 5.7 air hood and the hood is listed as an over the counter part. It did not come from the factory on the 6.4. Sure, people can buy the hood and put it on a bunch of cars but it did not come stock on the street version of the pink car. We may be able to rustle up a little paperwork if you want to dispute that.

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The bogus horsepower is the big deal, but the hood only came on a 2010 Challenger with a 5.7 Hemi. The option code was Mopar 2010. Anyone want to ask me how I know?

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Divine intervention?

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What's your story now? And where did Minnie Me go?

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i need boots lots of bull **** going down paper cars if you know what i mean

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My opinion on the subject:

1. It rocks that Jeff built that car for breast cancer awareness. It's an absolutely great cause and I'm glad to hear that all winnings were donated to the cause. I know it's very close to his (any many others') hearts.

2. That hood never came on a 6.4L Challenger from the factory. This is a fact. If anyone would like to provide me with a VIN to prove otherwise, I'd be happy to check, but you won't.

3. The hood came on a "Mopar '10" Challenger which was a 2010 model year with only a 5.7L hemi. The 6.1L did not have this option, and the 6.4L was not offered this year. That hood was offered over the parts counter from Mopar, so you could throw one on any Challenger.

4. To get on topic a little bit, the AA/SA seems a little tough, but that can be a good thing if the combos that run it have similar potential. You'd have to be crazy to run it at Indy though, and if you qualify in AA you are a bad ***.

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I guess that dealer order manual for 2013 I brought to Indy was just for that. The street car next to me was just a bonus. NHRA inspected both of them. We sold mostly Shaker hoods which were also available. I built that car as a tribute to my wife who in March survived her 41st year of Breast Cancer surgery. I really don't care what yall know or whatever else. The car is legal and the motor is stock. Yall must think we just got here. Maybe I have been a Bow Tie dealer for 48 years and just did not know it. Did any of you know the Mopar 10 was actually built during the early part of the 2011 model year? If that hood bothers yall, pay for a different hood or send me a good used one and I will paint it pink. The function part of it don't work anyway. We took it off. Oops!! let the cat out the bag. I took 1.5 lbs off the front end.

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No Jeff we don't think you just got here. We've known for quite awhile that you know how to work the system.

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A good friend of mine once told me..You know Joey, you can't argue with an idiot.. Man every time do those words hold up!

Sorry I chimed in. If anyone would like to pics of the hood that was approved by NHRA aka"Not Jeff" then questioned then re-approved by NHRA aka "Not Jeff" on a factory car for the pink car please let me know. I can get as many as needed.

When you don't get what you want you start complaining about something else..

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Who cares about a hood? The new cars are all bogus anyway, that ship sailed years ago. This thread is about the AA index.

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Where as in the past, just certain factory cars were and still are bogus right? I would love to hit the "Reset Button" on a whole lot of cars. THAT would sure change the face of Stock!
The new cars are cool, really popular and here to stay.

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All the racers that had to change the hood on their 69 camaros , that's who......

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My point is this was a semi-productive discussion on the AA index that has gone off path. Hence, the "who cares about a hood" comment for this discussion. Especially on a car that doesn't run AA.

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I didn't change it. What I have done is spoke to officials with NHRA about the new Hellcat as a stock car, and with that creating at least a 7.00 lb class and maybe for the future a 6.5 lb class. and moving the index from 10.60 to 10.80, and the new classes 2 tenths lower each for any they create.. I pointed out the drop of 4 tenths from A to AA and it seems to be severe. I think if we can get them to look, they will realize it is and maybe change it. The Hellcat is here and the ADR model of the Hellcat is on the drawing board. I think Ford has several out there too. Currently I know the 426 64/65 runs AA as does several Chevys; I think the 427 and 396 but I don't know which is which. I think one or two of the Max Wedges can get there. 4 tenths is a lot for about 225 lbs. I think I will send the 7.00 deal to some of the SRAC members as well as NHRA officials just to remind them about the class. If the ADR Hellcat is produced, it has it's own hood, no option. I can send that to Greg, Andrew, and Bruce so we don't deal with this again. Bye the way, that's a cheap shot.

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just put the index at 12.:00 and that should please everyone

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If Mickey says it; let it be written, let it be done. Ramses 2034BC

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We actually wanted a 7.0# class, for the L-88 Corvette, and the ZL-1 Camaro, as well as a couple of Hemi cars, as they actually fit a 7.0# class better, at their current factors. At the time, no one was running a T-bolt. The 7.5# class was a compromise to allow cars that were running in A @ 8.0#, but could not legally get to a 7.0# class get to AA.

It has been suggested that 1.00# weight breaks starting at 7.00 as A would be the way to go. I'm not at all opposed to it.

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LOL I would need that index to qualify near the top

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Hey, this Mopar Hood deal is sounding strangely similar to the same situation as the 69 Chevy cowl hood. Duh!
Slap-Slap wake me up... am I just dreaming what I just thought I read?

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You don't have to go to all the fuss about sending out pictures of your Mom's car. Just post the VIN# for the car and that should take care of this hood issue.

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Must be the heat getting to everyone!

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Actually Bruce that was ment for everyone but yourself. That's for your suggestion thought. Besides it was already cleared up by people who are important.

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OH, I never claimed to be important but this issue is still very much alive. Scared to produce the VIN are you? Dodge dealers say that would conclusively prove your point. Seems like an easy way to show everyone that you're not out here running a game on everyone. And we know you would never do that. You have way too much integrity for that.

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Anybody know how to run a poll? Over my grade level. I would like anyone who sees this that has run either AA/S or AA/SA or can run in either of those classes to post or respond with their Comp number, year-model-combo, or other info and most importantly would they like the index to stay at 10.60 or move to 10.80 and their name. And remember the Chuck Rayburn Rule applies; If you ain't got one you also ain't got no vote.

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Off topic, but I was in tech with Mr. Teuton when they started giving him crap about his hood. I believe he pulled out a dealer magazine showing it was offered. There was even a production car is in the pits with the same hood as it came from the factory as an option when ordering. I do not have a dog in this fight but I've raced from the west to east coast and believe the index for AA needs to be adjusted + 2 tenths. There is no way anyone can qualify at Indy without doing it, unless they get lucky.

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Bruce I believe everyone already knows the vin on my mothers car is the year of a 2010 which has never been denied..with that being said I also believe everyone also knows NHRA has approved the hood to be ran on the production version to be claimed as a 2013. The hood came on a production car as was deemed legal by the powers at bay(the ones you have sued in the pass). I do believe that everyone out there knows no one is running a "game" on anyone! Again you cried about something and couldn't get it so now you are crying about something else. It's like the never ending gobstopper Willy Wanker produced except it's the never ending cry baby that Bruce Nolan produced. Smh

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Insults are not going to get you out of this one. So you guys either pulled a slick one like many people have said or you're legit. From what you have written above, it sounds like you are saying the hood was on a production car but not the SRT. Is that correct? I have another idea. Just use the VIN from your mom's car if it is identical to the pink car in every way. That may help. And in case you haven't figured it out by now - it is every racers business to know if you guys are running a game out here.

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No insult, merely comparing two candies! Ones a jawbreaker and ones a sour gum.. Take it as you please.

The hood is in the MOPAR production parts book! I'm sorry what other info is needed? The hood on my mother car is the exact hood that's available through mopar performance. You know this and I know this. Just as we know year to year options change on every vehicle produced.

Bruce if you took as much time proving your point infront of NHRA officials instead of insulting(making accusation) and twisting things on this forum you might get somewhere. Enjoy getting your rocks off on a forum.

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Very simple thing: Just give us a VIN for the 2013 that has the same equipment that the pink car does. How hard can that be? You guys are the Mopar kings. All the hood stuff goes away when you do. Otherwise, well, not so much. And BTW, I have never sued nhra unlike someone else we know.