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Anybody notice most of the masks (including those used by officials) were 3M??LOL!

I love capitalism!

They do the dirty building of stuff we want and we sell them the protection to keep working in dirty conditions to build the stuff we want, lol win-win.

ok a bit sarcastic but, England learned in the 1800's how bad coal fired everything was...China is now figuring it out.

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Bruce, suppression of our citizens right to vote is unfair. True. However, just as contributing our voice through voting is important, I think it is also important to offer our voice in these matters that can affect us. If we do not, we have only ourselves to blame.

Well intentioned people in positions of authority may have a focused goal to improve emissions. That is a worthy cause. However, low or no impact scenarios like ours can be affected because of the EPA being unaware of these consequences. I am not talking big money lobbyists. I am talking racers just like us.

For example, imagine if you hired an accountant to secure your children's inheritance and gave them full authority over your assets to complete this one, defined mission.

You would wake up and find your entire racing operation and many other quality of life activities that are clearly not needed to be divested.

Now, it isn't that accountants are bad people. They only fulfilled the mission under the ground.rules they were given. (Which was none in my example).

So, you find out all of the fun stuff you had in life, your race car and all supporting equipment was long gone.
When you confront the accountant to ask why in the @!#- he did that, he would only say "sorry, I didn't know"

All I can say is that this scenario would cut across any political spectrum. I would encourage thoughtful and productive communication to your representatives.

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This is the meat of the whole problem they tried to slip this past us.
The EPA is proposing regulation that will have a broad impact on the aftermarket/performance automotive industry in this country. Hidden in the proposal which is titled Greenhouse Gas Emissions and Fuel Efficiency Standards for Medium and Heavy-Duty Engines and Vehicles; Phase 2
There is a section that drives at the heart of a long standing American culture, this being the modification of cars for off-road and competition use. I find it very dishonest to title a proposal for Medium and Heavy Duty eninges and then slip in something that will impact a great many people under this guise. Here is the paragraph I'm referring to

67. Section 86.1854-12 is amended by adding paragraph (b)(5) to read as follows: _ 86.1854-12 Prohibited acts. * * * * * (b) * * * (5) Certified motor vehicles and motor vehicle engines and their emission control devices must remain in their certified configuration even if they are used solely for competition or if they become nonroad vehicles or engines; anyone modifying a certified motor vehicle or motor vehicle engine for any reason is subject to the tampering and defeat device prohibitions of paragraph (a)(3) of this section and 42 U.S.C. 7522(a)(3).

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Give me a break the days of Poll Taxes and Literacy Test are a thing of the past.Get a copy of your Birth Certificate or US Passport showing you are a US Citizen,register to vote in your state and go vote.Why do people like you keep bringing up the past and you know dam well if you are a us citizen and want to vote you can.

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Actually, those regulations have been in place since 1984 when catalytic converters became standard equipment on all cars.

Jim

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Just remember that the original law banning the removal of catalytic converters went into effect in 1984. What party was the president then?

Jim

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I just signed another petition concerning this matter on the PowerNation TV website.

Here is a link - http://powernationtv.com/post/say-no...to-motorsports

I sincerely hope that everyone that reads this forum will sign this petition.

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Federal certification, which is what we are talking about, began in the late '60s as part of the Clean Air Act. That is how far back they can go with this, if they so chose.

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No, you don't get a break. Nice try though. Nobody said anything about poll taxes. Shutting down and/or restricting access to polling stations is a stab at the heart of the USA.

Jim, we moved from the apples to the orange basket. I absolutely agree that we have the right to speak out about any issue. My point is that I don't buy into all this draconian BS that some of these guys are floating out here.

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Bruce, probably your side of the argument would be represented better if you would lay off the ad hominem references. Nobody appreciates being addressed as "conspiracy theory wing nuts" or their fears and beliefs as "draconian BS" or talked down to. There is very real concern when authorities with no oversight have the full force of the government when making rules an regulations that affect real people's lives with no recourse. There are 57 commercial fishermen and three private marinas in Arkansas that are being threatened with fines and jail time if they do not cease their operations due to the EPA ruling that was handed down last year. You may be correct that the EPA would not enforce the regulation as it is written, but the fact is that they could and we would have no recourse. We might then mount an objection and fight to overturn the regulation, but it would be after many, many people would be affected. It's like the IRS bringing charges against you for tax violations, you may be innocent and be able to prove it, but the legal costs and loss of revenue during the fight would be devastating. The IRS is simply going to say "sorry" and you have no recourse for compensation.

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OK Bruce,give me your liberal view on how people are being denied to vote and I will tell you how to solve it 100%.Most states will accept up to 10 different photo ID at polling stations if you are a registered voter.Stop spreading this liberal crap how people are being denied to vote.

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Another take on the subject at hand.

http://www.motortrend.com/news/epas-...e-aftermarket/

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You can't come to terms with the shut down polling stations can you? It isn't always about ID's although they have proven hard to get for some elderly folks who have voted all their lives and have no ID's.
Dwight, I think I know a thing or two about be roughed up out here so don't lecture me.

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Nothing wrong with this too...I suspect.

https://youtu.be/DlDgOIdD3BY

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Closing and restricting access to polling stations guys. Comment about that. Not fiddling around with poorly trained poll workers.

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[QUOTE=Bruce Noland;495592]Closing and restricting access to polling stations guys. Comment about that. Not fiddling around with poorly trained poll workers.[/QUOT
I agree with you Bruce we need more polling stations,those voters in the video had to come all the way to New Hampshire from Massachusetts to vote.

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I was in disbelief when I first heard it and I can't even fathom how it is an argument...you have to show ID to vote...how on earth could that be anything but logical??? If I have a fast car I can zip around on voting day and vote a dozen times just by "saying" a different name and not having proof? REALLY??? How is this even debatable???

Yes you can vote, if you fit these criteria; Your an American citizen/you have ID/etc. I think I'll go for a drive for the next election and see if I can vote, I'll say my name is "Mike Hunt" LOL!

Now on the other side, if polling stations are being closed early/modified to benefit one side or the other, this too is wrong. Again, you can't argue the point, EVERY LEGAL CITIZEN HAS THE RIGHT TO VOTE. This requires voting stations being accessable as well as not having intimidation effecting them. (another issue)

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Facts escape you. There are many hard working, honest people who are cheated out of voting each year and you think it's a joke. What a man you are.

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Hey Bruce, you gotta lighten up! There are many hard working, honest people who just don't bother to vote too. But I'll bet you dinner that there's many more dirt-bags, welfare recipients and illegal aliens that get picked up and driven to the polling stations to vote early and vote often WITHOUT having any voter ID!

Now can we get back on the subject of this thread!

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Billy, you tell me to lighten up, then slam me and then say move on. BS. Can you please tell me how many actual repoted cases of voter fraud are counted each year? Yeah, you'll have to google it.

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I believe this Q&A from Engine Builder Magazine explains in detail the effect of this law on the industry:

http://www.enginebuildermag.com/2016...nce-industry/#

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"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin

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You're right. Let's both lighten up, get back to the subject and I'll see you in Florida!

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No cause for alarm folks, lest you be labeled a "conspiracy theory wing nut." No need to worry, Bruce has dissected and examined the issue and has decreed all is hunky-dory. You can relax and go back to watching TV or whatever pastime gratifies you.

Pass me a beer, Bruce...

Pete

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Unfortunately.

Pete

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So did the sky fall on your head? Get your own beer Skippy - I don't drink.

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Update on the subject at hand.

http://theshopmag.com/features/sema-...cing-mod-rules

Call and/or email your congressional representatives. SEMA is taking this seriously, everyone with any involvement in the sport, hobby, industry, etc., should as well.


EPA Administrator McCarty appeared before a congressional committee last week. In the middle of the 3 hour session, this 2 1/2 minute exchange took place between she and Rep. Austin Scott of Georgia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYbv8PIwqgs

Some people in Congress are paying attention to this. They need to know that we are also.

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Great to see Congress is talking about it. They need to understand though that this references street vehicles being modified and converted to competition.

Congress needs to know there is a big difference between that and cars like late models, dragsters, sprint cars, Nascar, etc. that weren't built with street use in mind. I wrote all of our Senators and Congressmen as well as a few committee chairs.

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I love how Mr. Scott talks!!!!!

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I watched the video and that gal has to go. She didn't seem to know the language discussed was even in the rules written by her department. This from a Democrat who thinks the EPA is, in general, a good thing.

Scott's closing statement is what has struck me most about this whole thing. Wording relating to race cars buried in legislation dedicated to heavy trucks.

Go to YouTube and enter "EPA and race cars" in the search field if you have time to kill.

Dale

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Does anybody doubt just how important it is to vote? The one before she got this position was from n.j. and was worse. John Kissel

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Like !!!!

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[Agreed....no longer a lifelong Democrat! Finally woke up! SO is Bruce a democrat... sounds like me several years ago, before I saw how bad the housing authority was screwing me and my company over! We had the cleaning contract with them and I finally got tired of seeing the Free phones, rent, food, and more while I'm crawling around on all 4's cleaning and repairing their carpets while they deal dope in the streets and drive cars better than mine!!!QUOTE=Mark Yacavone;495081]For some of my "lifelong Democrat" friends on Facebook who also love race cars... Please note from which direction these attacks on your liberty usually come from.[/QUOTE]

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This is crazy, but its obviously real and could actually happen. The very first post on page one with the link to SEMA has a VERY easy link to sign the petition. Take the two seconds to do so!

And for the first time ever in my life, I just emailed my Congress person!

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search this:"epa spills into colorado river"

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I just took the time to read all 12 pages of posts. I remember back in the mid to late 70's and 80's how the local or state police would roll into a legitimate car show or gathering and go car by car and look for cats, air pumps, plumbing to the carb or air filter and write tickets. Remember that that they were enforcing a Fed law and or a copy cat state law or local ordinance.There is a resurgence in automobiles and racing. Less regulation! Less intrusion! Less intervention! Every year new laws and new taxes. Is life getting easier?

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Does anyone doubt that state authorities would come to a race track or car show and seize the opportunity to do the same thing on bracket, Stock and Super Stock cars that were originally street legal? Especially in certain states in the Northeast and on the west coast? And especially once they found out it was easy pickins to create a substantial revenue score? EPA could and would give them the legal standing and coerce them to do so. It's not like there isn't a history of that happening already in other enforcement efforts. It's what they do.

Continue to spread the word and bug your representatives. It is being noticed.

http://theshopmag.com/features/how-s...ion-went-viral

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For decades the heavy truck industry offered what they called glider kits (body in white). If your old truck had a good drive train you wanted to keep using you could order a new chassis without a motor or trans and the manufacture would build the chassis to accept your older motor/trans combination.

In 2004 EPA emission mandates hit the heavy trucks. The 2004-2007 requirements were "liveable" for the most part. They did have problems which have been ironed out. 2008 to present have major issues with their emission programs. According to wrecker services in my area 9 out of 10 hooks are emission control problems with the newer trucks.

A new tractor ranges from $100 - $170k. Peterbilt/Kenworth are the only manufacturers still offering glider kits. Independent companies are the only ones allowed to install the older motors, factory dealers can not do it. They are installing 2003 and older non emission rebuilt motors in the new chassis. CAT 3406 and C15s, Cummins N14 and early ISXs, and Detroit 60 series engines all pre emission. The cost for the glider trucks with the older reliable motors is about the same as a new emission truck...which do you think are getting ordered?

To top it all off the emission trucks fuel mileage tanked 20% are more. On a truck getting 5 to 7 mpg this a significant drop and expense. If you consider the extra fuel burned with the emission mandates is the "carbon" output per truck really reduced?? Add down time with the new trucks to your bottom line also.

Nixon created the EPA. Congress gave the regulatory agencies the power to write and enact regulations then they seem surprised when they are out of the "loop" when the dumber than real life agency heads try to enact this crap. Base line bugets are another example. Congess has become nothing more than a bunch of lazy a** es there only for their own welfare payments.