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I'll respond to you Jason because I know you. I know that you have been racing your cars weekly in bracket programs the last few years cutting your teeth and preparing for this. I know that you are a good racer, and come from a Stock Eliminator family.


As you know, I DO race slow cars. Each of these slow cars is competitive and most have won multiple races (in both the Pro and Sportsman bracket classes). One of them is currently being converted into a "slow stocker" as we speak...and we'll likely have the same issues as Alan is with running the index at first. Will that stop us from racing it? Well, if it does then I'm thinking we aren't real racers. I can assure you that Alan is a fine driver, and each person does have their own way of going about their program!


I know that none of my credentials include anything spectacular from an STOCK eliminator standpoint...so perhaps my viewpoint on this isn't relevant! As far as competitive slow stockers...it's certainly possible to compete. Hopefully in the next few years I can start racing stock more often and build up my credentials but for now I just have to watch and root on my favorites.


As for Bowling Green...go down there and make some noise. I wish you the best of luck, Jason! If I could be there with a stocker trying to get my first win in STOCK, I would be there in a heartbeat.

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I stand corrected

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Don't waste your time unless you want a doughnut or a cup of coffee. Peter Clifford is a good public speaker and you can tell he is passionate about NHRA. Unfortunately he does not understand or have a clue about our type of sportsman racing. I sat through his presentation at the gators. When he spoke of sportsman it was alcohol a pro mods. Not what we think of sportsman. He will talk up the new TV package and the All Access package and a few other youth programs. Other than that its the same old song and dance. Nothing that would help or interest our type of racers except for trying to grow the sport.

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I plan on attending.

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x2 Mike. The one at the gators was a joke.

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Hey Brian,

Great seeing you on Sunday and congrats on the win! What a cool track Bremerton is - definitely a fun place to race at.

Cody Lane

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It's so frustrating, that NHRA cannot see the potential of S/SS with just a little bit of FOCUSSED advertising, they could draw in the car clubs, outlaw street racer fans, with our program....say run 2-3 rounds back to back Saturday afternoon (round robin, ( which we should be prepared to do), have special seating (to fill all those empty seats) for groups and clubs

If NHRA is so confident in their Pro show, these ignored groups, just may come back on Sunday

There are MANY more ways to promote our CAR SHOW "in Action" IF NHRA marketing cared

Like with many pro sports and college even, the TV money makes them lazy

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Cody, nice job on setting the record Sunday. I didn't get a chance to say congrats in person, sorry.

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Just my opinion but I think the N.H.R.A. would be happy to just run the Pro Classes at every event even though to me it makes no sense what they are doing.

Maybe when the Pro Classes some day get down to 8 or 12 cars they will rethink their their future plans a little better.

Right now if one or two of the multi cars teams in the Pro Classes decided to pull out for sponsor reasons you would see panic on the part of the N.H.R.A.

Jim Hill

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Just posted on NHRARACER.COM


One of the many important duties of NHRA’s Racing Administration department is the setting of class quotas at NHRA national events. Deciding on the number of entrants per class and in total takes into account many factors that reflect the current environment of the events, including historical data, the size of facility, television broadcast times, track and local curfews, weather history, the size and number of haulers, and past on-site experience. Despite quotas being set, at many events already this year racing has run well into the evening or NHRA officials were forced to reduce the number of qualifying passes to time constraints.

Below are some examples of the challenges:

Facility size: In many situations we are limited on the amount of entries we can accept due to overall size of the facility. In Gainesville, approximately 20 teams were parked in the spectator lot.

Live TV: With the move to FS1 and 17 live TV shows changes are made to ensure that segments of racing meet time slots set by FOX.
Curfews/weather: Based on a growing population around many of the facilities, curfews have been established, which limits the amount of time that race cars can be run. That challenge is made tougher early and late in the season when cool weather conditions can produce conditions that are not ideal.
Size of haulers: Over the past several years, the size of haulers have grown, which limits the amount of useable space to have additional cars on property.

NHRA strives to deliver the best experience possible to everyone attending a national event, and the ability to do so is challenged when NHRA is forced to park racers in spectator parking, schedules force us to run late into the evening under conditions that are not ideal, which is why the establishment and enforcement of quotas is so important.

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No mention of why they can't move quotas around. Such as taking a few from a not full class and moving to a full class. So far this year the only event that has been full is the Four Wide. It doesn't affect me as I learned my lesson last year about making it into the events I wanted.

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I think Jason needs to call Toby and Jody Lang and tell them they can't win in those slow stockers........what a joke......

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I'm building my slow stocker now. I hope to be done by fall. The only thing i worry about is heads up. Otherwise it's bracket racing. Slow cars CAN win. Cut a better light and run closer to the number. I look forward to the challenge.

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I was thinking the same thing Ed! Jim

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Jason. Apparently you have no sense of humor. I was joking. A LeBaron also is a FWD car that is the same platform as the Dodge Spirit and Plymouth Acclaim. FYI George Widuch built all of the cars he and Jerry drove. I own the car George built and drove. Jacob Pitt still has the red Volare' that Jerry drove. Jerry is driving the 383 '62 Plymouth that George also built. They are no longer partners and George has built his son, Marcus a white 318 Dodge Aspen for Stock Eliminator. Jim


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Jody Lang is an exception with his slow car.When was the last time he won a national championship,if ever?Why doesn't Dan or Peter ect. run a slower car? I didn't say a slower car CANT win I said a you have alot better chance in a faster car.That is my opinion and I believe the stats will back it up.

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Money.....there is no ROI

Everytime I bring this up it starts a **** storm but the facts are, there are only so many ego's and rich folk with expendable income to go around.

The rest of us need a return on investment.

As the old saying goes...if nothing changes, eventually you run out of other peoples money and the game is over

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Thanks for your words of encouragement. And my post was not intended to offend your family at all and I have a lot of respect for you and your brother your dad and your uncle. I said it before in my post that you can win in a slower car I just think that it is easier to win in a faster car that runs more consistent. For instance a turbo car how can you leave at the same boost level every time foot braking it? It seems like it would be very hard to me, but there are different challenges to every combination. Once again no disrespect intended towards your family and best of luck to you and Buth racing this season.

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I'll respond to you Jason, even though i don't know you!

You don't seem to be making a whole lot of friends around here, young man. I wonder why that is?

Could it be that you've insulted a lot of folks who take a great deal of pride in what they do, and have more time behind the wheel of a Stocker or Super Stocker than you have on Earth? Or that most of the folks that you've ridiculed here on this Board were winning races when your big concern was who was going to change your diaper? Good luck getting ANY of the folks you've disparaged to share any of the wisdom they've shed their blood, sweat and tears to learn with you! Whatever happened to young people "being seen and not heard"? Respect is earned and never given!

I am proud to race an IHRA stocker, and sure don't need someone like you to validate my choices. I don't think I'm alone in how I feel!

Just remember that opinions are like anuses, everyone has one and most of them stink!

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Your point is well taken. I don't know how old you think I am but I am 44 and have been Racing for 20 plus years. I have owned a stock Eliminator car in the past and have just recently built another one. I'm a past track champion at Lucas Oil Raceway Park and have raced for many years. As far as making friends on here I can take it or leave it I've got plenty of friends. But this is what the world has come to, everybody has to be politically correct and always worried about offending someone!

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Good point, 45 spots available for Atlanta and no budge on quotas for the full categories. What a waste, somewhere in the neighborhood of 14k left on the table. What a way to run a business......

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My mistake! You just sounded very immature! My apologies to any young people I may have offended! (Politically correct enough for me!)

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If saying my opinion and what other people don't have the balls to say on here makes me sound immature to you old guys then I guess call me immature I can take an insult with the best of them!

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I said on another site about the event below: HELLO Glendora, are you paying attention????

The "younger" crowd WANTS the heads up shootout type events and isn't a news flash. Rewind 10-15 years ago the trend was moving in that direction.

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Bring back modified!

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I think there is huge difference between simply being politically correct, offending someone, and then flat out disrespecting people. Disrespecting people is what you are doing here.

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x2

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Jason...what are you accusing Peter and I of?
We are not here to help you validate your misconceptions.

We all run what we want to run. You have nothing to say about it.
Not once have you expressed interest in our history of Cars and racing.
Just you keep making dirges to help your pedistile stay up right!

Speaking for myself. Been racing since 1972.
Had to put down the toys to raise a family.
Employment instability and divorce and new family.
Started IT business. Now in 24th year.
First opportunity to get back in Racing was with my new 1995 Impala SS.
My 1969 Impala went into slow restoration.
The big stuff is done.
Now have the 95 and time to move the 69.
Which I have had since 1976.

Each racer has their own history how they are able to race.
The bigger untold story is everything else has to be in place before we can think about racing.

Few of us do it for the money, it is the passion and dream all the planets line up and we win one.
Plus we just like each other.
If one of us needed help another person would step and offer assistance.

Then there is driving gazillions of miles the track.
Which it is actually a safe place.
The community organizers do a fair job providing us a venue.
Not one of us has ever got a Ticket for Bench Racing!

BTW when are we getting back on topic regarding NHRA?

Dan

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Concur!

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I think the Shootouts are fine.
Nothing too wrong with what NHRA and IHRA are doing.
More importantly the new venues help the smaller tracks.
Club racing is also on the rise.
Drag racing grew and now has enclaves here and there.
More new cars, more new imagination, all kinds of new engines and ways to make power.
The sanctioning bodies are working hard to make sure racers build safe rides.
That is a huge issue keeping us all safe with builders trying to exceed the speed of light.

D

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Jason you are like a dentist digging a cavitys with out Novocain. I like your style!
Truth hurts lol

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thanks for the compliment James, finally a real racer on here that actually has a set of balls!

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James
Look at Englishtown Quota's and see how bad one class is.....
NHRA is leaving tons of $$$$ on the table.

NO BUDGE ON QUOTA'S PERIOD. ANYWHERE !!!!

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Jason 'The Dentist" McGinley.

Are you the former B.D.D.2 who was claiming to be associated with MR2 & Carey Bales back in 2010 when they did not acknowledge you.

Did you win the Street category in a '95 Ford Explorer running 11.20's in the eighth mile.

Did you ever get them big boy pants and run a cuda like Larry Hill does.

I want to thank you for having the balls to run your mouth by challenging BIG BOYS face to face at the races. At the age of 44 you seem to have acquired the notoriety that you seek. Good luck with that fast car of yours, now go out there and beat up on some low class cars. If you want to beat up on me you will have to come to FL, I'll be the one in the slow Plymouth wagon with the little 273 engine with the monstrous 2bbl.

I do have a question for you though, are you the same person who coaches youth sports or the one who like to have boxing matches on the street.There are a lot of Jason McGinley on the internet and Facebook and I did not want to be misinformed about who I was talking about.

And about your opinion on fast cars vs slow cars, you better get a new COPO, DP, or CJ as a D/SA just aint gonna get it done according to your statements.

Oh and by the way, keep politics out of this, it does not fit your character.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA just the facts

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Hey Ron Oritz;

How many U/SA cars run in Florida now?
I remember 3 a couple years ago at Bradenton but there are others.
Your car, 307 Olds Wagon(white) and a 262cuin 2v Camaro (red)
Have met Briain Philbrick, Monza and a 76 Caddy (nova body).
There was a Mustang or Maverick that recently eclipsed the 12 mark.

U/SA seems to be a really popular class.
There is a lot of variety of combinations.
What are your best runs in 1/8 and 1/4 mile?

Would not be surprised if there was an U/SA only event you could get a 32 car field.


D

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Ron, you went into stalker mode on me,not stocker! If you're looking on Facebook I live in Lebanon Indiana all my fan mail can be sent there. By the way I won't be coming to Florida anytime soon,sorry. And yes I did win in my Ford Explorer, I was bored that day.

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Stalker mode, that's funny lol. Can't tell which one you are on Facebook, no locations mentioned, that is why I asked if you were a coach, or boxer, I also saw a ball player, and a investor, there was a lot. I do know you were B.D.D.2 and from Lebanon IN though

If I were serious of looking into you I would have cut one of our daughters loose to find out about you. Put it this way, I wouldn't want her to look up me. She comes back with more info than Govt agencies do.

As far as fan mail, I'm sure that several on here would like to communicate with you.

As for your Explorer being a bore, that is because you do not know how to adjust to situations surrounding yourself. While not getting the sensation of acceleration from your slow ride, you chose to be complacent and be bored and somehow made it to the winners circle with no sense of achievement. While the whole time you could have had a blast by entering into the realm of time itself, stretch out the run, notice the little things during the trek down track, the great wheel stand shot of your opponent from the rear view mirror, the fans you have in the stands, that hot little blonde girl in section C row 4, quick looks in the side view mirror to see if he broke or lifted from spinning, once completed you should be at half track by now, now the sensations of being chased are coming in, Oh Boy, here he comes Yeah. The rest of the race is even more exciting, but that's for another time, and if it comes close down at the finish line it is a blast for both racers, I love it, forcing someone going at 20+ MPH to make a decision at a single point precisely in time.

Looking forward to waiting for when you DO come to FL.

Dan, there is a bunch of them around here. There is the white Olds, a green Nova, a red Camaro, a tan Dodge, briefly a black Caddy, and myself. My best run was 14.12 in the quarter and a 8.98 in the eighth. I don't know about a 32 car field, but definitely a Slow 16.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA time will tell

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This will be funny to watch. What a joke. After bashing half the stock racers on hear he is going to apologize. Hopefully you put more thought into building & racing your combo than you did about getting on here & bashing everyones you just did. Jr

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Don't know what you are reading Mr.freak but I didn't apologize and I didn't bash half the stock racer on here, and if I did offend some people on here I don't care! Like one of the REAL racers said on here,the truth hurts!

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Talk about hijacking a thread !!
One of many reasons I rarely get on this Forum is because of where this thread went holly S--t
( mic-drop ).....