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I think worst break out rule should be considered?

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Mulligans? Maybe at the Irish Bar in town! (If the first person to tee off shanks their ball the second golfer doesn't get a free hole won, they still have to play it out if there is $$ on the line:-)

Bring many first time and some returning car guys or pure spectators that do not drag race to the events whenever possible. The things I can pretty much guarantee: 1.None of them understand how the first guy to red light looses automatically rather than both having the opportunity. That a 16 second car racing a 9 second can leave .001 early and have lost while the faster car leaves 6 seconds early and still wins. Some even assumed it would work the same then at the finish line, first car to cross and break out would loose, not the worst under the dial. 2.None of them understand throttle stop racing. (The very premise of it, they do understand the mechanics behind it. At Joliet they amused themselves betting which car would roll closer to 660' before full throttle again.) 3.None like Pro oil downs and clean up time or tracks with one "good" lane. Some actually decided not to return again. Had 3 "no thanks" for Joliet alone this year. While the racers may decide this question, the stands are nearly empty during Sportsman racing with the current system.

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Bobby what class do you race and I'm sure james the mad Hawaiian will also reply

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I think we just play cards on line to see who wins instead of racing on the track would be better. or everybody show up at the track and flip coins heads or tails this is some stupid ****

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So are you saying that if they go to tru-start the stands will suddenly be full when the sportsmen are running?

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I don't believe that is what he is saying. The stands aren't full for the Pros anymore either. It costs too much for the every day spectator.

Why are some of you afraid of TruStart? Just because you don't want change is not a good enough reason, things change all the time even in Stock/Super Stock Eliminator.

Jeff

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Here is the reason for me.... This is just my opinion only, Me being a 10.20 car racing against 7.40 dragsters if and when I go red the dragster has plenty of time to see that I was red and bump down if he felt he was not good. Most bye runs for next round is off reaction time , so the faster car has a chance to tight it up with no worries if he goes red as he has already won this round. With Tru-Start for would not have this chance , plus he would not a have a round win till he went green or less red than me. With a footbrake race I don't see this application being as necessary, no box no bump down.... I know my thought process is not perfect on this ......that's my 2 cents on this.

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Here is a "new" thought - they should both be out - no almost winner.

Red light and you lose - simple to figure out.

Does not favor fast or slow cars - favors good drivers.


Ron

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Bob, after ten years away from racing, will you have that bird ready to go next year?

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I like it Fair for everyone.

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Reasons to be against Tru-Start:

* I don't understand what Tru-Start is.

* I have a higher classified car and like my advantage as the game currently stands.

* My motives/intelligence/manhood will be questioned over internet message boards if I support this change.

* Peter and Kyle are successful enough. I feel envious.

* Change scares me.

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You are right it has worked forever now they want a change whats next free entry fees LOL

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What class do you run and your name?

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I guess that you didn't get it either.....

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Yep I get the electric bill and pay taxes just like always you don't get it

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I would say that perfectly describes a large group on this thread....................How much of this covers your thoughts Mickey Whaley??

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You are right Charlie I run motorcycles only but I can run my dial in the people I see here have never won a damn thing see if NHRA changes anything for you CHARLIE ????????

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Changes for me??? None that would matter. I bracket race at several tracks that already have or will have tru-start in use in 2017. All of our big $ races use it. Bottom bulb, foot brake, shoe polish dials, you know, bracket racing. The big difference between S/SS and bracket racing is the size of the ego.

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Class Racer's are very passionate about Stock and Super Stock as seen in this topic and others in the past.

Peter and I felt it was time to level the playing field at our Spring Fling events and thought it was time to make this worst red light change. While this scenario (double red) may only play out say in 1-1.5% of all "top bulb" pairs that is still needed to be changed. When timing systems were first built they only had the ability to see the first red, so that's why we see it this way decades later.

We also want to see Bracket Racing stay as healthy and cost effective as possible as the ets are getting quicker and quicker. With this change we felt that it could possibly get the cost down long term with a more level playing field.

I totally realize that Stock and Super Stock are performance based classes and that the change to these classes might be a little tougher but I feel that it's for the better of the classes long term.

Let's take Stock for instance. There has been a big change over the past decade with the influx of factory stock cars. I'm sure some will debate this but for the most part these cars are faster and more consistent then your traditional "muscle cars". At Indy this year at the US Nationals the ave handicap in Stock first round was 1.32 seconds in the 64 pairs contested. This will only get bigger over the next decade and I feel that a small change like this will only help the class long term.

Thanks for listening and good luck to all.
-Kyle Seipel

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The only difference is a win slip or a lose slip Bracket racing which is not here or stk sstk racing and in my opinion if you can afford to do it its nothing about ego its your own preference I hope I can win a race one day?

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Mickey.............. Atlanta?

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Which time

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If you turn it red you don't deserve to win end of story.

Kyle how many races at the spring fling were changed because of this rule?


I don't care if I red light less then the faster car, if I red light I deserve to loose. The slow car get the clean tree. and the fast car gets the first red light rule. it all balances out.
I hope I get to race some of these fast guys that are watching my tree to see if I red light first.

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Fast car tree is clean as slow car when using Cross talk, I'm missing balance?

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last time I checked there's no cross talk in STK or SS. How does cross talk work with foot brake cars and no electronics?

Mickey and I are going to implement a new rule for this topic. If you don't run stk or ss you don't get to vote or comment on this topic. I know this eliminates a few of you but its for the better.

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Sorry stepping out of here......

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I appreciate Kyle chiming in and giving his reasoning behind their implementation of tru-start. Thanks.

Some poster's to this thread feel that tru-start should just be for Box racers and then when Box racers chime in, a couple of the posters "implement a new rule" ? OK, we get it. You don't like tru-start. You've made your point. When I started this thread, I said about the example that I cited, "it's something to think about." You have pushed the subject far past that point and WAY past humor.

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Charlie Bob it's called the Chuck Rayburn rule: "If you don't have one, you have no vote!"

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Clean tree argument is a joke. Here is a thought a few of you fast guys throw out. Get a slower car if a lack of a clean tree is a problem. If your faster and watching slow cars tree come down or top bulbs flashing again when slow car leaves your not focusing on task at hand. Ive been the faster car for years in SS and bracket and block out other side of tree and focus on my side. Fast car gets the first red light advantage and windshield view on how the race progresses. Slow car gets the first chance to lose on redlight and TRY to watch in rear view mirror on how the race progresses.Yes I no longer have a SS number but I'm allowed on this site so I have an opinion until moderator kicks me off.
PS. I almost forgot. Flame away!

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So if you break out do you still deserve to win? Or should it be who ever breaks out first should be the looser. I really don't understand why anyone would be against leveling the playing field with the Tru-Start system. Most of what is argued back and forth on this forum is about having a level playing field.

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Umm, most of what's argued back and forth on this forum is personal agenda!

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2 cars that have the same dial and both go red the worst red light loses. Now just because 2 cars leave at a different time the worst red light doesn't count. Kind of a double standard. Its a rule for cars dialing the same but then the rule is tossed when 2 cars leave at a different time. Sounds like a level playing field to me.
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We all except the rule if 2 cars break out and furthest from dial in loses. Doesn't matter who was faster or slower or crossed the finish line first. Why doesn't worst redlight get the same respect.

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Well said Jeff!!

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I started racing in 1983 if you redlighted first you lost simple it was on you and by the way we had 5 yellow bulbs instead of 3 and no blinder you want change all of a sudden we just had change for 8 years did that work, helllll no!

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Ya can't argue with that Mick!

5 amber tree huh? You're old!

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LOL 50 billy

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Wow..............painfully poetic !!!
I need a nap after reading that.

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In the case of two cars with the same dial, the car with the worst redlight is also the first to redlight.

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Mickey, don't try to make any sense out of the last 8 years, it cannot be done.