Originally Posted by ron mattson (Post 552400)

I have to laugh right below this post is a
ad from jegs for the NHRA "legal" performer
rpm heads!! Lol

Originally Posted by ron mattson (Post 552399)

No worries guys I'm quite sure there will be
Another aluminum head out soon with smaller
runners 165 ish and possibly another brand
of aluminum head, I would not get so worked up
until the dust settles 30-60 days.

Originally Posted by PJ305 (Post 553255)

Has anyone contacted NHRA and have them explain how the SBC heads they approved are going to maintain the same runner volumes as the stock head they replace!

Originally Posted by PJ305 (Post 553255)

Has anyone contacted NHRA and have them explain how the SBC heads they approved are going to maintain the same runner volumes as the stock head they replace!

Originally Posted by randy parker (Post 559987)

nhra making america great again!

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN (Post 560002)

lol................

Originally Posted by Dan Fahey (Post 560009)

Want there a class called "Modified Stock" ?

Seems like the Stockers today fit that Class?
and
Going quicker!

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Originally Posted by Chuck Norton (Post 560013)

That's just NHRA admitting that Terry was right when IHRA introduced the crate motor classes over twenty years ago. Our end of the sport is faced with a singular problem that has been addressed in multiple ways. Terry's solution was simpler, made allowances for the people who couldn't afford "enhanced" parts, and a ton cheaper!

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Originally Posted by nolongerracing (Post 560014)

I think there were "enhanced" parts in crate motor class too!!

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN (Post 560024)

Not when I was working for IHRA but that was a long time ago.

Originally Posted by chuck norton (Post 560033)

no system, regardless of how carefully it is designed and how thoughtfully it is implemented, can long survive a period of either benign or pernicious neglect. There are sufficient numbers of individuals who are intent on gaining an advantage by any means available to render even the most comprehensive rule book irrelevant practically overnight. This is especially true of the rules of engagement in stock eliminator.

Originally Posted by Chuck Norton (Post 560033)

No system, regardless of how carefully it is designed and how thoughtfully it is implemented, can long survive a period of either benign or pernicious neglect. There are sufficient numbers of individuals who are intent on gaining an advantage by any means available to render even the most comprehensive rule book irrelevant practically overnight. This is especially true of the Rules of Engagement in Stock Eliminator.

Originally Posted by Dwight Southerland (Post 560043)

Yes. And both Stock a Super Stock rules are under constant attack for advantage. Edelbrock pn 60947 heads that were accepted last year for the SBC and the current Jones Engineering heads for SS are angle plug heads. Even though NHRA rules specifically state that the spark plug angles cannot be changed and NO Chevrolet small block V8 EVER came off an assembly line with angle plug heads. Can you imagine a 327-275hp engine in Stock Eliminator with angle plug aluminum heads??? Write your division director, the national tech department, the NHRA national techincal vice-president, the NHRA CEO, your mother and any one else you can think of to object. Such actions and decisions will destroy the eliminators faster than you can imagine.

Originally Posted by Dwight Southerland (Post 560043)

Yes. And both Stock a Super Stock rules are under constant attack for advantage. Edelbrock pn 60947 heads that were accepted last year for the SBC and the current Jones Engineering heads for SS are angle plug heads. Even though NHRA rules specifically state that the spark plug angles cannot be changed and NO Chevrolet small block V8 EVER came off an assembly line with angle plug heads. Can you imagine a 327-275hp engine in Stock Eliminator with angle plug aluminum heads??? Write your division director, the national tech department, the NHRA national techincal vice-president, the NHRA CEO, your mother and any one else you can think of to object. Such actions and decisions will destroy the eliminators faster than you can imagine.

Originally Posted by Jon Sarrett (Post 560066)

Actually, LT-1 heads are angle plug.

Originally Posted by Dwight Southerland (Post 560076)

But the replacement heads listed are for 62-70 year models.NO angle plug heads during those years.

Originally Posted by Jim Hanig (Post 560078)

Dwight there never alum heads for 428,390 Ford's either,but they Got them now. Cant see how the heads for the chevys would make much diff.

Originally Posted by Dan Fahey (Post 560058)

This is where I will miss the IHRA Pure Stock.
Basically the Old Stock Eliminator Rules.



Crate Motors were always a natural fit.
Replacement engines were always common.
Did not morphed the Stock Eliminator concept.

"Key word is WERE! IHRA decided to drop the Stock classes. Maybe if IHRA HAD morphed into NHRA Stock classes and rules,perhaps there would have been enough contestents that IHRA would have considered Stock to be viable still."

Current rules restrict inviting the new generation of Racer to play in our sand box.


"How exactly does expecting "the new generation of racers" to follow the same rules and procedures as all the other Stock class racers have to, restrict these new generation racers from playing in NHRAs sandbox?"
You do not do not see many 20 - 30 year olds.
Do see 50’s, 60’s, 70’s and 80’s and passing away.

"From what I have seen, the vast majority of 20-30 year olds simply do not care about cars, or racing at all. When I was 15, I was counting down the days until I could turn 16 and get my learners permit, and hopefully, my own car. This just does not seem to be the case anymore, at least in more populated areas. cars are simply not a high priority for many younger people, modifying and racing even less so. I don`t think that radically changing the status quo, for the thousands of faithful racers that have participated in Stock or S/S for many years is the answer."

IHRA had the right idea with their Class Eliminator set up.
Had NHRA adopted the IHRA structure.
There would have been shift from traditional Stock.


"Had NHRA followed IHRAs "right idea" structure, maybe there would no longer be Stock classes in NHRA either. From the number of NHRA racers on this site, looking to hopefully find a spot in a National Event with a full quota, and the 1000`s of Stock Class racers that attend NHRA Nat`l & divisional races, the NHRA Stock & S/S classes still seem to be pretty viable."


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Originally Posted by Todd Hoven (Post 560054)

One of the candidates for a replacement head for Pontiac round port was a head made by Kaufman Racing. Everything was a go but Bruce rejected it because of angled spark plugs. Guess that is not a problem anymore as long as you race a Chevrolet.

Originally Posted by 6130 (Post 560084)

Ultimately, I think that Stock is going to die, and when it does, I will very much miss it. It is (and was) a beautiful class.

Originally Posted by Todd Hoven (Post 560437)

I think for stock the rules should be changed so any casting can be used as long as they have all the same volumes, valve sizes, and valve arrangements. We are there anyway why only allow some manufacturers and people to get replacement parts. Go to a SS cylinder head rule
for stock and be done with it. All the replacement head deal does is give select few racers an economic and performance advantage over the rest.
One more thing, all the guys crying that the new cars are not real stockers are wrong. They all have the parts they were designed with and run them.
How many original parts are in a 396/375? or a Plymouth 340 with aluminum heads and intake? Not many I’m sure. It’s getting stupid, nobody with a SBC can’t find parts?

Originally Posted by M Brand 505B (Post 552233)

One of the listed heads is close in CC to the stock specs. This rule is good for guys in the cylinder head business. Now we need a head approved for the Pontiac.

Originally Posted by novassdude (Post 560489)

You really think that all the new cars are running the parts that cam in them? I would bet that all the fast cars are running aftermarket rods pistons cams and tweaked heads just like all the old cars.

Originally Posted by Todd Hoven (Post 560499)

Coming from a guy that has never built anything for class racing on his own. Build something on your own, and race against cars that have these parts and let’s see how you do. We will never see that so your statement like yourself is irrelevant.....Next


QUOTE=Bruce Fulper;560493]Pontiac doesn't need another approved head. Pontiac guys just need to do their homework. And as of now I read, the Edelbrock Pontiac is approved for Stock. Hesus.......what a bunch of whining no-nothing racers. I fought (voted) against the Super Stock Pontiac E-head every time NHRA asked me. But after 15 years the whiners prevailed. And now Stock? You're shameful.