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Looks like there was a 1000 foot agreement in play, and they were still plenty fast!

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Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed-----Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed
11 James Daniels 1525 Daniel Lynch
E1 0.062 11.189 103.99 ****WINNER**** 0.071 11.058 99.63
H/SA Dial: 12.15 (+/-): -0.961 H/SA Dial: 12.15 (+/-): -1.092
Qualified: #36 11.464 -0.686 #9 11.283 -0.867
Heads-up! Daniels was quicker off the starting line but Lynch drove by him for the win. Daniel Lynch's MOV: 0.1225 seconds (approximately 19 feet).

My point exactly.

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Does this type of crap really happen?? It for sure wasn't my first thought.. my first thought was someone lifted because they broke..

If were now agreeing to run to 1000' so we don't hit the combo changes need to be made to the system.....

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Been happening since the 60's, Brad/ Matt ;-)

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Yes it has been happening for a long time, even when they ran against the National Record, yes the AHFS must be corrected and yes the bogus combinations, part numbers and mystery specs MUST also be reviewed and corrected to preserve the constitution of Stock Eliminator.

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Unfortunately, it is not always about working harder. A lot of the time it is about spending more money. Not a option for me , so I continue to work harder, in the face of NHRA hypocrisy.

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It's way to late !

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“Lynch drove by him for the win”. At 99mph! LOL

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You are right Terry! I'm setting here with two engines and two of everything else. Would trade it all for a 275 car!

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Sometimes the guy who is loosing by enough just decides he is done and lets go of the throttle. Feels better to give up than to be .15 behind under full power. Lynch was going around a 95 if he stayed in it. Daniels was on a 10 run or around that. I’m sure they both ran hard and gave up when they felt like it.

I wouldn’t make any deals with anyone especially if they are the faster car. I’d rather make them take a hit to win the race. If not you race them again with the same circumstances and will get outrun again.

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Not sure if it's TOO late, Terry, but it took 30 years of neglect and free , non-stock goodies to screw it up to where we are today. It can't be fixed all at once .

How to do it? Haven't a clue.
If I had to start somewhere, I'd suggest that NHRA put together a 5 year plan. (I know, sounds like a joke..NHRA long range plan).
1, Take 2/10's off the bottom, and move all the triggers at the top, 2/10's faster.
In other words..New A/SA index, 10.80...New instant hit, 9.60.

2, AHFS in effect at all nat. and div. races.

3, NO, I said NO more enchancements, freebies, goodies, for FIVE (5) years.
( If you want roller lifters, no more tears..build a car that came with them.)

4, Keep tearin' em down, and look a little closer at cylinder heads and manifolds for grind and file marks ;-)

Maybe not perfect, Terry, but at least it's a plan.

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Sad both Danny and Jim ran 2.5 tenths better than their qualifying passes and were still off the gas. What a way to race.

Again Please our Reps address the AHFS this off season it's a joke right now. Barry

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Stock Eliminator looks like the x.90,classes in reverse...!
Instead of cutting the light then slow down.
Then run like hell to the finish..!

It is race to the 1000 ft Mark..coast to the finish first !

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Oh and while you're at it, please address all of the big $$$$ intake and head enhancement/manipulation going on.

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"A communication system is of no value unless there is a critical mass of users"

In other words the time is NOW to reconstruct the AHFS.

I have said this before; The NHRA should employ Dwight Southerland, Mark Yacavone and Billy Nees as consultants to fix this mess.

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HA HA HA!!!!! Dwight maybe and a fantastic asset he would be! As for Yac and I, never ever ever happen. Too militant.
Before you "reconstruct" the AHFS, the Tech Dept. has to "reconstruct" or repair or or realign just what it accepts as legal.
And IMHO, if you have a set of 10k-20k "stock" heads and a 2k-5k "stock" intake, you're probably not legal.

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Militant maybe, passionate absolutely.

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Are you accepting applications???

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''it seems like a bunch of bottom feeders are crying about fast people its easy to throw stones how about working on your car oh you do but stock and ss are not dyi engines you same people cry '' a quote from the real racer all real racers respect !!

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You know Billy I hear about these big dollar heads and intake. How much do they cost and who are doing them? And I know you think I'm kidding you but I'm not. If your talking about acid intakes for about $500 and heads that have had some bowl and runner work done. I think that's the norm for Stock today. I would be surprised if more than 10% of the Stockers running today have bone stock intakes and heads. Now if you want everyone to throw their intakes out and heads out and go back to the day when only 10% were having the work done now that would be expensive. The old days of Stock are gone. Not saying it's right or wrong just saying it's were we are. A few of you seem to want to go back to the Stock of 40 year ago. I don't and I don't think many do. As I said before I don't want to run a 12 second B/SA. At this point all we can hope for is they don't let it get to far out of hand. Barry

P S I don't know anyone getting that kind of money for heads and intakes. And to be honest I'm way to cheap to spend anywhere near that kind of money on them.

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Sooooo, you've heard about these "big dollar heads and intakes" but you don't know anything about them? But you DO know about acided intakes and heads that "have had some bowl and runner work done". And it's not expensive. Hmmmmm.
You would be "surprised if more than 10% of the Stockers running today" are WHAT? LEGAL? Wow, what a concept!
Now, "you're way too cheap" to spend that kind of money for heads and an intake but if we had to "go back to the day when only 10% were having the work done now that would get expensive". Why would it get expensive for you if you're "way too cheap" to get that work done? If you're one of the 10% with legal, stock heads and intake then what's your problem? Me thinks that your stuff would still run a bit quicker than 12s even with un-enhanced parts on it.
Why do I get the feeling that you're trying to feed me a line of poop and convince me that it's a hershey bar?

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"Real Racers" post their real names.

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Then it would be detectable ..
What is done to a set of $20k heads and Intake?
How is NHRA policing this?

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They haven't policed this since around 1985 !

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They have to be.
How are cars passing tech now?

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What Tech ? LOL

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I'm still trying to get head around spending the big money and the working your butt off to run with the crowd only to race to the 1000 foot stripe. ???
The old rule book is never coming back so only thing to do are first fix the AHFS (with the help of the CR Consulting Group, LOL!) and then methodically policing the bogus stuff.

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I think I have over $1000 in finding my six pack intake. I purchased all of the old aluminum intakes I could find and two new ones. Then we ran them on the dyno with eight EGT's in the headers. We would change jetting in an attempt to bring EGT's together. I had them numbered 1 - 6 with what I thought would make the best power. This will show you how much I know. One and six were duds and number five was the magic number. Then we backed to backed the best two at the track and number five is still the best. Mid-way through the first pull on the dyno with number five I knew I had a boy dog.

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Dan, The rule says (I'm paraphrasing) No welding, grind marks, file marks, etc.
Must pour at or under the listed port volume.
That is their official "out"
What does that mean to you?
What that means to me, is good flowing "Stock" cylinder heads became very expensive with that wording.
But then , it goes with all the other NHRA expenses. Nobody seems to mind .They're fighting to get into Nationals.
As my friend Barry says." People don't want to go back, so there ya go...

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NHRA got rid of the smart and good tech officials. I had hoped Wesley would have made a difference but no not at Indy 2019 ! Cost to much in NHRA's eyes. But I can say I have been around this poop as an official since 1971 or so and it started sometime before 1985. I won't mention names but I have seen it and its gotten worse. I know of one 428 CJ intake manifold that weighs 10 lbs less than a stock one. Its one reason I quit working and I only race bracket races myself close to home and BS on this site as long as Ken will let me. Its not worth it to race stock today to me plus the contingencies are way less than the early 1970's . You guys are just filler for the Fuel idiots and monkey shows. It would be less expensive if everyone stood in a line and pulled their pants down to see who has the biggest you know what. Todays rules for stock are just plain stupid but enjoy. The old days will not return. I would guess the stockers will become Super Stockers some time in the future.

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I just returned from the Maple Grove Nat'ls yesterday. I was entered and raced....

As it has been for a few years, there was NO tech before we ran and I saw NO spot checks in the lanes. Nothing....

I also saw no fuel and weight check for Stock and SS but I may have missed that if they did it.

One Stocker did have to pull a head and it was for going more than 1.2 under....he passed and gets HP.....

At Division races they always inspect cars before you get to race but its generally a routine lookover and check of safety items.

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Good idea for a new thread instead of racing junk call it "racers junk".Who's going to post first (#1 qualifier)...lol. gsa612

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Got rid of or they got old and retired?
Some were replaced...but these are the new days with new cars.
Documentation of S/SS is daunting.

I am just glad am healthy and a car to race the S/SS association races.
Just want to have fun, meet friends, earn some bragging rights.
You can never get a ticket for Bench Racing !

Bracket racing has grew because not everyone wanted a S/SS car.
But our form of racing led to a lot of the technology.
How do you double the power out of factory engine with what you got.

What I liked back in the day was racing Stock every weekend at 75&80 Dragway.
Friday, Saturday and Sunday.

Thinking maybe there is a way to grow S and SS and get back to that.. !
That seem to draw in the local crowd.

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I used to race at 75&80 on Friday nights with a Blue H/S (which is F/S today at a 10.5 lb brake)1969 Corvette in 1970-1971. Then in SS/J in 1972. Back then when were forced to use the stock swing axel assembly. S/S cause to many broken rears and stub axels. It was a 4-speed.....lol. so I gave it up and started to build a SS/IA 1968 Camaro. Usually I was at Capitol Race way on Saturdays and Aquasco on Sundays.

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They did weight after every run and fuel every other run. They pulled about 6 Comp cars for random checks of various tech items and the tech official was watching at every fuel check for anything odd.
Overall I'd say they amped up the tech routine

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If you have 20k stocker heads and 2k intake you have to much money ……..might need your head checked. Rick.

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so instead of lowering the indexes again , why not make the hit number 1.40 or 1.50. then every one can race as they please. oh yeah, and lock the rules in for 5 years.no enhancements etc..

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I don`t know if anything will be done to "level" the playing field in Stock and Super Stock. How NHRA did it in Comp at Maple Grove, was to make Tom Martino`s ( #2 -.716) index go from 8.85 in RD1 to 8.67 (-.180) in the Final. Not sure if it is his personal index and/or if C/SM got whacked, but that's brutal. Spread between #1 (-.740) and #21 (-.498) is .242.
Mike A114

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In COMP any run in eliminations quicker than .500 under the index is readjusted for the next round ---so if a competitor runs say -.502 under his class index then the next round his index is lowered .02---If any competitor should run -.601 during eliminations or quicker the permanent index for that class will be lowered .01 for THE ENTIRE CLASS AFTER the completion of the current race--in no case will the class index be lowered more than .05 at any time in one readjustment for the ENTIRE class but the racer that committed a run of .601 or more will have his PERSONAL INDEX permanently lowered .01 or whatever the infraction was. FED 387

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Some got old, some retired, a few died. Marty Barrette (div. 3) and John Bedencamp (Div. 2) died quite a few years ago. Greg X. retired. Not sure about the National Tech Director named Jim Dale but they all were great guys. Life goes on !