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So does (Throttle) mean fuel control?

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In 9:1 under computer
It says no vehicles may be equipped with
computers.

Then in the paragraph below that it says
During NHRA competition, a portable computer (e.g., laptop,
PDA, Palm Pilot, programmer, etc.) must be securely mounted
when located in driver’s compartment at any point beyond the
staging area ready line. All functions or values must be preset
prior to this point.

Kinda contradicts it self.
LOL

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The point is the driver drives the car. Your foot controls fuel flow. No device takes over and regulates the flow of fuel for you. Modern efi cars come with stuff like that from the factory. My S/SS friends with efi cars talk about fuel curves and I'm stuck with a 4150 even in SS Modified.
The boxes that drive for you are not "data loggers" data loggers record stuff to be read in the pits to improve that guesswork called racing.


On the topic of rule roll back, FWD conversion cars have no place in SS/GT or Modified. LS motors come in RWD cars and should not be allowed in FWD vehicles.There is just something wrong about a classic Nova staging against a Cobalt and being given the head start... Put them all in Altered

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This is false. Your foot can be steadily on the floor, and your fuel flow will vary wildly along with engine RPM. Your carburetor is a device that regulates the fuel flow for you.

Similar to a pre-programmed EFI fuel curve using engine RPM and throttle position as the parameters.

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Any car with an ECU is equipped with a computer. I think that means you can datalog with a laptop as long as it's bolted down and only recording. The "functions and values" things probably refers to delay boxes in classes allowing them.

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With a vacuum secondary I see how this works, but at WOT a manual secondary can't ask for more fuel flow from fixed jets and fuel regulator.

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An O2 sensor would disagree.

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Thanks for your vote on the no FWD conversion cars, several hundred of us are more than happy to ****can our cars just to make you happy.

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Don't pressure differential have an effect on how much fuel your fix jet will flow ?

Stan

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Technically you can get an LS motor in a FWD monte carlo and Impala...just saying. But......lets keep bitching about stuff that doesn't fit what a certain person wants...I mean it's all about what you want right? You can put a supercharged COPO engine in a 68 camaro, if that car leaves after a classic nova, does that still make it not right. Just asking

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Why they do not have a place in SS/GT or Modified?
They run a different weight break and HP factor than the RWD cars in SS/GT. The only change they should do in Modified for RWD cars is to allow them to run similar front suspensions as their FWD counterparts.

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Aren't MOST of the Rule enhancements and Blueprint Specs that have been changed in the past 25-35 years happened because the racers wanted it this way and also because the N.H.R.A. Technical Department can't, couldn't or wouldn't enforce the pre-existing rules anymore.
Including now legal parts revisions, aftermarket parts acceptance, allowable electronics and internal engine and transmission modifications.
I'm only talking about Stock Eliminator, in my humble opinion Super Stock is completely out of control.

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The rules for GT, Modified Stock and Modified all fall under the general rules for Super Stock. If Super Stock allows it, it's OK in GT, Modified Stock or Modified. FWD conversion cars are not permitted in SS and should not be allowed in the following classes that have to adhere to SS rules. The engine swap in GT came about to allow older SS cars to improve and keep up with modern engines. Before GT, a Nova or Mustang was limited to model year correct power plants.
In short, a Nova with an LS engine makes sense to me and a Sunfire with an LS doesn't.

I really don't like piling on HP in a vintage car and being limited to stock front suspension. There are bracket cars with better and safer front ends than my 68 Mustang.

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Didn't when Pontiac bring back the GTO it have an LS?


Stan

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If thats the logic then I guess we should go ahead and remove trucks from SS as well. I mean who wants to see an s10 with a V8??? I mean it didn't come from the factory with a V8. THAT is the reason GT and Modified came about. So is it just LS engines or ??? Because 90% of the GT cobalts/sunfires/etc have either a carb engine, SBC L98 FI or LT1 FI engines, the modified ones are basically Comp cars with a very small SBC. Ok, I'll quit now lol.

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Your confusion is that Super Stock, although it is a class, it is also a category, just like Stock Eliminator is a category with Stock class, Trucks class, FWD class and Factory Stock.

As I said earlier, yes, RWD in SS/GT and Modified should have the same liberties as the FWD.

By the way, there are front suspension components for your Mustang, used by many in Super Stock that are legal in your car.and the cost is lower than a pair of Santhuff or Lamb struts with springs as used by many in Stock, Super Stock and Factory Stock.

https://opentrackerracing.com/produc...r-control-arms

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You need to get a rule book and read the classification guide before you make some of these comments. First off, FWD conversion HP ratings are sperate so they don't 'pile on' any RWD combo. Secondly, RWD Modified cars do have looser front suspension rules than a conventional SS class, among other things you can convert to R&P. Thirdly, I have seen cars go in the 8's with SS legal '60's era Ford front suspension so not sure where the issue is, talk to the Thunderbolt guys. FWD conversion rules have been in place since the '80's so it's not like this is some new idea. In the end, everyone picks their poison, live with it. I don't even know why I'm getting in this argument.

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Yes and it.s a bad *** car, It is Australian and based on the Holden. It's US lineage is Grand Prix Coupe and Firebird.
I'm going to just read here now. It's interesting but I need to keep to myself.

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OMG this thread has come apart like a cheap suit.

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Firesale. Stop trying so hard to change the world
You seem to talk a lot about something you know nothing about

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Typical off season muck. Racing begins again in a few weeks.

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Yeah, I guess that the average S/SS Racer doesn't want or feel the need to "Un-ring The Bell".
Ya know, I made this statement to a fellow ClassRacer Member the other day and I DO believe this to be true, "The average NHRA S/SS Racer is like the average U.S. citizen, they believe that the Government (NHRA) has the Racers best interests in mind".

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We're from the Government... Uhm... I mean NHRA...
We're here to help. :eek:

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Billy. I think if you went around to a divisional and asked this question one on one with racers, or even around one of our proverbial campfires that we sometimes assemble around you would get clearer input. One thing I have noticed on the last couple Topics is how much peoples ideas are different on what they feel is what is good for classracing.

There are those that feel a 1.3 or 1.4 or even 1.6 or more under car is just the way it should be in a performance based sport, and there are people that have spent just as much with their oem parts because they can't get aftermarket parts approved who feel that they will never get to that point. Those may feel the .95 mineshaft rule is a good deal, others don't. I feel the same way Perrone does that we should have to qualify to get into National events, others don't. Some dont like the AFHS system at all,, some do.. Lonnie Grimm said that all options were on the table to look at the AFHS system, and the first change he made, half are mad at it. What I can say is you will not make everyone happy no matter what they do.

Richard Petty told me one time at an IROC race "whats the difference between a puppy and a racer? Puppies stop crying when they get older" that applies today too for some. Was there really ever a time when no one complained about how NHRA ran class racing? Or was it just different things?

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Did Lonnie make the AHFS change or was it the SRAC ?

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After hearing Lonnie on Bobby's podcast, I'm thinking he had something to do with it.

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It appears to me that Lonnie has an open mind. The active racers on this form should make a their voices known. Make a difference in your destiny.

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Maybe someone can clarify who makes these decisions.

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Omg!!! Un-Ring the bell !! The bell has shattered years ago by the constant ringing of personal agendas , enhancements , whining to name a few !! Bubski's having a hard time trying to make sense of all these off the rail posts as of late . So lets get this straight !! S-SS needs AHFS but in only a way so as not to affect me right ?? S-SS needs some kind of throttle stop to keep from goin too fast in a performance based class and a new set of rules to police the part throttle crowd ?? S-SS also needs to not allow those racers who are not worthy to compete in the eliminator ??

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Did somebody say his name 3 times?
Geez, I almost want to have my brain scrubbed but..... I can almost agree with him!
Ya know bubski, even a blind squirrel stumbles into a nut sometimes.