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Are Post-It Notes illegal too? :D

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Can we get a poll up for

Whose blinds. And who doesn’t

Let’s see what the people say.

Blockers. In the minority

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Ah, quit yer whinin' Ponko. Ya need yer diaper changed?

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And 55 mm cams 250 lb valve springs rocker arms on and on and worried about blnders

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What about Comp, Top Sportsman, Top Dragster and any other class that uses a full tree?

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TS/TD use a delay box and hit the top bulb. Comp is full tree and yes many blind with no whining and no crashes.

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Bubski is like WTF !! This Crazy Train has gone off the rails again !! 459 intakes and big journal cams n other enhancements and begging for HP reductions have nothing to do with this nonsensical thread !! What ever happened to PERFORMANCE based classes ?? Now we need blinders , as many calipers as you could possibly mount on the rear brakes of your "STOCKER" more stopping power than a dump truck , Super Mega 1000000 n the like adjustable trans brake buttons on your SS car , Coors light 30 pack blinders on your windshield and helmet !! multiple step rpm limits and on track data acquisition !! to name a few !! Remember this is PERFORMANCED based not Bracket 1 based !! Bubski believes all this nonsense can be put away for good by only allowing Hi side rev limiters , no more trans brakes , no more blinders ,no more 4 caliper rear brakes , no more data acquisition , no more fancy digital ignition systems !! Just what it takes to make the car run !! REMEMBER as you talk down to the bracket guy that STOCK, SUPERSTOCK is more than a bracket race !! And your begging for all the bracket racing luxuries !! Back to the 85b !! CBN fitted now !! CHEERS !!

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https://www.nhraracer.com/content/ge...715&zoneid=132
Are you kidding me? This is the reason for banning blinders? And hood scoop cars that drive around haven’t just about ran over or crashed into a few things because they can’t see a thing? Wow.

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Question or two here for the guys who were here 20 years ago.

For the racers who can effectively block the top two ambers and still hit the tree :
Did you speak out FOR the deep stagers or vote to have it abolished back then?
Would you lobby to bring back DEEP, in exchange for the help in asking that blinders be allowed?

It seems that the worm has turned a bit now, and I'm just wondering where we stand.
Thanks in advance

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https://www.nhraracer.com/content/ge...715&zoneid=132
Are you kidding me? This is the reason for banning blinders? And hood scoop cars that drive around haven’t just about ran over or crashed into a few things because they can’t see a thing? Wow.



so thats the real reason, maybe they should be more concerned about all the kids driving carts, scooters and bikes around, then take something away from the racers....

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What a FRICKEN crock of chitt …...Who in their right mind would keep their blinder pulled down while driving through the pits…

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Is a stock sunviser considered a blinder ?
Stan Hawes

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Two-steps are next!

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No Stan, OEM sun visors are still allowed …
****. ……Stan Hawes Institute of Technology

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Actually, if you read section 7.8, blinders are supposed to be in a fixed location and permanantly attached so if you follow the rules (which I did), you can't move the blinder out of the way when driving around the pits. I'm not in any way saying that is a logical rule but it is the one that is in the rulebook.

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No kidding.


Why is anyone driving around with blinders in the pits in the first place?


And if they're that stupid, why are they allowed to participate to begin with?


And exactly WTF are they using for a blinder that blocks so much of their vision that they can't see obstacles and people in the pits?




Wow.

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It seems pretty simple. If it's a problem in the pits make a rule for a maximum size blinder. It must be retractable. You cannot pull it down until you enter the water box and you must push it back up after you exit track.

The shielding on the helmet and visor should probably go away, and I do it.

The hypocrisy is if it's a considered a on track problem why will comp still be allowed?

Mike

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When is the last time that you saw a Comp car being driven back through the pits?

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Read section 7.8, as the rules were written, the blinder is required to be permanantly attached so it's going to be wherever it is whether you are driving down the track or driving through the pits. I'd be more than happy to have a rule that says the blinder needs to be hinged or removable and needs to be removed as soon as you enter the return road but that is not the way the rules were written. The max size in the rulebook is 4" x 8" (so 32 sq inches) which seems crazy big to me but that's what's in the rulebook. I've seen people far excede that size but that's another matter. What I proposed to NHRA was that the max size be reduced to 12 sq inch max and/or it needs to be removed as soon as you leave the track and can't be reinstalled until you are back in the staging lanes.

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Here's another problem in regard to the new rule. You can use an OEM sun visor but as most cars have a roll cage, that pretty much makes it impossible to either install at all and/or can't be raise and lowered. Based on that, if you want to utilize it as a makeshift blinder and the cage is in the way of raising and lowering it, it's going to stay in the down position. In my case, instead of the 8 sq inches of blinder that I currently have, I'm going to have a much larger OEM sun visor in my line of vision that I can't flip up. I'm still trying to figure out why it is that Stock and SS have been singled out as the maniacs mowing people down in the pits?

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I’m confused, don’t we all have to play by the same rules? The rule isn’t taking anything away from you alone, we all have to take them down. Isn’t Stock/Super Stock more about drivers and less about driving aids anyway? If you can’t hit the bottom bulb without a blinder, there is plenty of room in the .90 classes, where you can have all the driving aids you need.

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Permanently attached simply means it must require tools to remove or install. They can be moveable and adjustable. The ones in the orange Camaro are mounted to the roll bar, but they're moveable just exactly like a sun visor. They're actually about the size of an index card. They WERE perfectly legal according to the rule book, and went through tech dozens of times. You fold the one you need down, when you're in the water. And you fold it back up when you're on the return road.


Of course, what I'm talking about is simply a small device to allow you to block only the top two bulbs on your side of the tree.




What I have seen, and I agree, they're astoundingly unsafe, are all sorts of devices, attached to all sorts of objects. I've seen guys in the pits with what looks like a rural parcel mailbox taped on their helmet. It literally blocked his view of the entire passenger side of his car. He might as well have painted half of his windshield, all of the rear window, as well as all of his passenger side glass, black. Just the idea of needing or wanting something of that nature is bizarre to me, and it's obviously dangerous.





I'm sure NHRA is looking for the easiest way out. The easiest way out, requiring the least amount of effort on their part, is to ban everything, for everyone. They're not going to want to measure or inspect anything. And they're certainly not going to police blinders in the pits. Too much work.


So, as per usual, the screw ups ruin it for everyone, and the regular people are unfairly punished.

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Sure, if I'm such a bad driver that needs a blinder in order to hit the tree, I have a stick car and have to leave with my foot on a clutch pedal, how about we get rid of trans brakes and the long throw trans brake buttons? Everybody gets to leave off the pedal with their foot, maybe that's fair at the same time? I thought this issue was in regard to a supposed safety issue, not how we go about trying to cut a light?

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Many comp cars are pushed making the driver of the car essentially responsible for where the car and golf cart are headed. Throw in a hood scoop with the blinder and the view from a comp car seat is significantly less than that of a stock or SS’er when navigating the pits.

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I think it is a totally reasonable idea to revise the rule to state that any blinder needs to be flipped up or removed on the return road prior to returning to the pits. In regard to blinder size, I don't need any kind of high tech measuring device in order to detect a blinder that is obviously way over the current 4 x 8 size rule. I am perfectly fine with reducing that maximum size rule way down also, that way bigger than they need to be.

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More often than not anymore, Comp cars and Top Sportsman cars are being pushed not pulled so the driver is the guy dictating where the car is going, not the golf cart. Based on that, he's the guy with the blinder and humongous hood scoop in his line of vision making the decision on where to go. Based on that, these cars are way more likely to hit something.

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With the latest clarification:
https://www.nhraracer.com/content/ge...715&zoneid=132

I read this and it seems like you could protest someone if you lose and saw your opponent using a blinder.

I could really care less on this one.Same thing as at the scales.If I am bracket racing someone and they come up 5 pounds light at the scales,I could care less.I don't weigh if I lose unless specifically instructed to.

This could lead to some exciting racing this year.Car A wins the round,but upon further review at the replay booth,Car B is reinstated because of a blinder penalty and an automatic first down.

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The cars that are being pushed instead of towed, the golf cart doing the pushing is in control of the car. If it is going in a wrong direction, the golf cart can stop it. Also, these cars are not driving way too fast in the pits to hurry back to cool the car off and get ready for the next round. Like Alan said, It's a few people that pushed the limit to the braking point, and the easiest fix is to ban all blinders. No measuring no interpreting.
Dan

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I see cars being pulled out of the scales at Phoenix to be inspected for blinder infractions…
Just don’t use a Coors twelve pac box to make one..
It appears some here are afraid of the blinder. Good reason to have one in the car.

We still need a - (Dislike) tab!

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I could see that. How many times have you seen or heard cars in the pits testing their two steps or transmission brake. And who has never checked their converter stall speed in the the pits.

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Nobody said you are a bad driver because you would rather have a driving aid to hit the bottom bulb. I’m not sure if you realize you’re replying to someone who leaves off of the foot, with no 2-step and pulls every gear all while trying to make the slowest Super Stocker (12.50’s) in the nation consistent. I would love it if everyone would join the party. There is no reason to get mad at someone who supports a rule that makes hitting a full tree the objective in an full tree class. There are plenty of pro tree classes if you need to react off of 1 bulb.

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Mr. Gary, I am confused….Superstock eliminator needed to add another class LIKE you need ANOTHER hole in your head. After reading your diatribe it is apparent you clearly have your own agenda. You do REALIZE that class win $$ disappeared because of TOO MANY CLASSES . You convinced Pat C. to add a class that MIGHT affect 2 cars in the USA. WOW, I AM IMPRESSED !!…..Your exact words….I’ll take credit for that one/but it was definitely my idea…..I just hope that you can find a helmet big enough to fit that noggin of yours …Respectfully yours ……..,,MJ

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Haha. So now I’m responsible for class money going away 15-20 years ago for adding 1 class today. Sound logic there buddy. Don’t be mad NHRA mad a rightful decision to add a 18 lb weight class for current competitors factored at 19.5 lbs/hp. A logical argument was made, something that appears lost in this interaction.

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In no way did I ever say or insinuate that you were RESPONSIBLE ,……..for anything..

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What a **** show this has turned into!
Can’t wait to race!

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:D 12 pages of entertainment. Thanks to all of you.

Some good points have been made.

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My bad. You’re just insinuating that 1 class added today is gonna keep the class money from coming back. I’d direct you to the factory classes being combined back to solve that issue. Maybe I’ll put that on my “agenda” this year…

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I think if you'll read a little closer I said if it's an ....on track ......problem why is comp allowed.


But to answer your question I've seen some comp cars driven back to the pits this year specifically some factory shootout and ah cars.

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:) :) :)

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NHRA = Never Help Racers Anytime.
Remember, The NHRA is not a racing club anymore. It is a sports marketing and TV
money maker for the management to fill their big paychecks.

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