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In light of recent revelations, how do you all feel as a class racers that one of only seven SRAC members that are chosen to represent ALL of us instead chose to use his clout in that position to instead advocate for a rule change that would benefit him at the expense of his competitors? Maybe you don't run a blinder but what if he had come after a rule change that affected you instead? Let's hope that we chose better in my more recent group of SRAC reps.

I have no doubt you have been reading this thread, be a man and get on this site and try to justify your actions. You my friend are the lowest form of pond scum, I'm not sure how you can look yourself in the mirror.

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What happened at the 2013 SLC Divisional?

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As a SRAC member, one would hope Justin Lamb would offer some clarity to his position.

To be fair, we don’t know how or what was presented to the NHRA team. We only know the NHRA response, which was not likely to be the best response.

So in my view, the real detailed response should come from Lonnie as the tech official right?

If they (NHRAtech) felt that the true need for safety off track was needed, why not solve for that?

If they felt that the blinders or blinders combined with other driver legal driver aids added up to an unfair advantage, why not say so?

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See Larry’s post (#80), Lamb won the title by a single point over Drew Skillman.

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He may have presented this to NHRA as a safety issue to make it sound more palatable but that's not why he wanted the rule change, Blinders have been a bone of contention to him for quite some time and he used his position on the SRAC to finally get it done. He has said that outright to fellow racers more than once (obviously not Stock and SS racers though).

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Prohibiting the use of blinders should never have happened !!! A simple clarification of the rule saying blinders must be attached to role bar or cage and must be flipped up out of vision before leaving the racing surface !!! If prohibiting blinders was changed for safety reasons ,as they say , why doesn't it apply to other classes ?? If this came about as it has been stated-----SHAME !!!!

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If this indeed is the work of one Justin Lamb , it’s truly a sad day for drag racing and for NHRA. I am not going to pile on Justin, I don’t really know him. Our interaction has been limited to one telephone call, and in our short conversation he conducted himself as a fine young man. His racing resume speaks for itself. A decorated jr. dragster champion and multi time stock and superstock champion. It’s just a shame this WOKE B.S. has infiltrated NHRA. “If I don’t block then I sure as hell don’t want my competitor to block.” The racers I grew up with would give you the shirt off their back. They would help a struggling racer that couldn’t run the index. I guarantee you Cal Method wished I never found his phone number back in the day. But that’s another story for another day. Only a CLASS racer would loan his competitor a spare part knowing that they were laddered to run each other next round. We have all seen it late at night when numerous racers would pitch in to help a racer in need. As a young man I quickly realized what SPORTSMANSHIP was all about. Every CLASS racer lived it. What the heck has happened to our sport ? Of course, it would take more than one person to pull this off and OUTLAW blinders ….You know it always seems that good ole’ Pat C. is in the middle of the NHRA drama. I have never met a person in my life that can be so easily manipulated and jobbed as Pat C. If I was so inclined, I SWEAR that I could sell him ocean front property in Arizona.
MJ QUINN. 502-69three - 173five. :mad:

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Stock Eliminator used to be the budget racers way to race
National Events. It was a way to step up the ladder to Super stock, and comp. Some were lucky enough to race in pro stock. Robbie Robinson is that raced stock then super stock and comp with Alan Bowdish, David Rampy is another example of hard work paying off. And don't forget Jason Line and his rise to Prp Stock, Now all it takes is is a butt full of money to go out and buy a late model COPO, Cobra Jet, or Drag Pack . Also the Method's, Lang's, Faul's, Kost's, Line's and many others. All of these people are true sportsman racers that I had the pleasure of knowing. When I started racing in the 1950's there was no mail order,. You built most things yourself and learned from your mistakes.
\ Now it's THE THICKER THE WALLET THE BETTER YOU RUN. Yes I think money has ruined stock and super stock. Even comp had room for the inovaters on a budget. I am vary thankful to all of the people who helped me when I returned to stock in 1991. Vic Hobb's helped me get my first Walley at Sonoma in a car that was owned by Craig Bloom and mostly was built by his employes, I added the finishing touches
and. won at my second national event. I have raced cars, boats, motorcycles, and airplanes, in classes like stock used to be. Yes I liked the old days BETTER.

Stan Hawes, Retired, not yet senile

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I have a full gage in my 3rd gen with a factory visor. You may have to ajust yourself a bit but it works.

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Rumor has it that a past champ is coming out with a super stock only delay box so no blinders are needed
Its about time we get out of the stone age!!!!

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No…. The next thing they’ll want is a throttle stop. There’s already a class for that called super-gas. Been there done that, it’s fine for the driver (that’s all you need to do) but if you like working on the car it’s kind of boring and it sucks to watch.

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I kinda thinkin' this was meant as a joke...

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HAND, EYE, FOOT coordination is something you have to learn. Rea ction times given on time slips helped those that couldn't figure out how to cut a light. The best way to learn is PRACTISE..Here in the Portland area P I R on Wedsday nites eight mile. Start at 4 PM over at 10 P M. With good quality compeditors.
Stan Hawes Still sturring the pot.

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I just now seen a video of the Orlando stock winner doing this. That surely leaves out a third pedal car doing this. Personally I don't use a blinder. I'm not sure I could hold up a blinder then throw it to the side to shift my mopar. You have to even shift a mopar automatic in stock. There has been folks on here saying good drivers will teach us that they are good with or without. Ok bring it on.

Paul

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Any updates on the current rule? Asking for a friend.

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Well Bandit, I don't have any inside info. as some have mentioned they
have, but it has now been 2 weeks since an announcement was rumored
to be coming, and there has been none. I would guess, this is only a guess,
that the rules as noted are in place for 2023. NHRA added more
revisions to the 2023 Rule Book this week, and the Blinder rules were
included in that up-date.

J.R.

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Maybe someone from NHRA should post here and clarify if hand held blinders are permissible or not, given that there is video of most recent stock winner doing so, per above.
Especially since this horse is obviously not going to die.

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Blinder Teathers . com is currently working on an SFI spec Venetian blinder !! Bubski believes its gonna be super dope !! And will give the "all too seeing" a way to feel more comfortable at the tree, just like they can't see the personal index and horsepower !! Cheers !!

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http://classracer.com/classforum/att...7&d=1677208061

The new blinder WTF

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Makes you wonder what kind of enforcement the different divisions will apply. If common sense prevailed then they can ignore the rule altogether. I don't use a blinder but have made input to my SRAC representative that making a rule just to satisfy the interest/agenda of a single individual is unethical and a completely arbitrary rule which will have uneven enforcement and serves absolutely no real purpose.

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Which would be the unaltered OEM sun visor mounted in the OEM location.

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Wonder what NHRA is gonna think when I leave the starting line with no hands on the wheel cause they're against my face shield (that is only down between stage bulb and low gear BTW), blocking peripheral vision where a couple of pieces of tape used to be. Safe?

My vision (along with most people's I believe) is limited when wearing a full face helmet to begin with. Will you get punished for wearing the helmet, with no modifications per the new rule, driving thru pits to your pit area after a run? I see several drivers that do not remove any of their safety gear, barring a situation like fuel check, until they return to their pit. :confused: I know the way some people drive thru pits these days, both pit vehicles and race cars, you would never see them with an unmodified, NHRA legal, full face helmet. Will you now be required to remove all of your safety gear before NHRA will allow you past time booth or scales in order to have an unrestricted view when driving your race car to your pit after a run?

Common sense has gone the way of the dodo.

Ryan W.
Stock 315

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And why would you NOT remove "all of your safety gear" before you go past the time booth? Have you got something to hide?

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Nothing to hide. Come to midwest and look my car over top to bottom, front to back anytime. Put up the money and I'll tear it down to the last nut and bolt. Heck, I'll open up datalogger files for your viewing pleasure also.

If I pull of track, drive to time booth and scales, and do not have to get out of car, ie. fuel check, my jacket and pants don't come off until i'm at trailer. Good enough answer for you?;)

Ryan W.
Stock 315
Stock 315

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Actually, not really. Blinders/Blockers don't concern your pants and jacket. Are you taking your helmet off?
I have no questions at all about your car. I'm sure that's good.

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Ya know Billy, this thread may take an interesting turn. Do you actually think NHRA may take a look see into the cars while waiting to fuel check and scale. You know , look at the OEM sun visors to make sure they haven’t been trimmed down. Who would do such a thing ? Maybe NHRA will be checking the floorboards/ seats real closely for us guys that hold up a playing card to block. I usually keep 4-5 on my seat at all times. But hey, this is all about SAFETY ….RIGHT. ?????

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Billy, I hope you are not alluding to that very successful superstock racer from your part of the world that had the wires running through his jacket….that’s just an urban myth isn’t it ???

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Heck no I don't take the helmet off. Then everyone would see the camera and photoelectric sensors inside helmet and taped to the face shield. I guess that's why everyone says I look goofy at fuel check. :rolleyes:

Whoops. Cat out of the bag.

Ryan W.
Stock 315

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I feel that the "clarification" to the blinder rule is way too vague:

The purpose of the rule change was due to incidents that have occurred in the pits, to reduce these incidents/concerns we were asked to prohibit the use of blinders in classes where we have experienced incidents in the pits due to the use of blinders. Discovery of blinders/staging aids could be cause for disqualification of run, regardless of whether infraction occurs during qualifying or eliminations; at the sole and absolute discretion of NHRA.

The rule prohibiting blinders explicitly states that an OEM sun visor is allowed to be in the car, but is it legal to use it as a 'blinder' or 'staging aid', whatever that means?

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The sun was in my eyes so I put my legal visor down.

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Our blinder has the factory vanity mirror so he was checking his teeth just to make sure his smile was pristine.

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Jeez! I hope not! Since I've been playing with this Cavalier and am getting the hang of this laptop stuff I've been "driving" the car from the stands. There's a cardboard cut-out of me in the car!

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M.J., I wouldn't know about that urban myth but I HAVE heard for years that Peter is really a cyborg sent from the future to kill Sarah Conners.

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What incidents are they talking about? Seems like there would be lots of posts if someone got mowed down in the pits over this.

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What are these incidents that you speak of?

https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/i...e-4-160204.jpg

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NHRA wants to be all about safety. Maybe they should look at fuel check. Highly flammable liquids being dispensed in very close proximity to piping hot engine compartments. What “safety” is happening there? Lucky to find a fire extinguisher laying around most of the time. And they’re using the excuse about incidents of people getting run over in the pits to outlaw blinders? If I were a lawyer, I’d be all over their fuel checking procedures before I’d worry about a piece of tape on a windshield or helmet. Whole blinder deal stinks of rotten fish and has all the traits of someone’s personal agenda. Kinda like collector tethers all over again. That is all. Walther out.

Ryan Walther
Stock 315