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1700 goes rounds at his duck pond with the locals. when the hitters come to town for the fling he don't do shyt! Further it's common knowledge that west coast racers aren't of the same skill/caliber of east coast racers.;)

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Wow. your SON's resume is impressive indeed. Most people would let those achievements speak for themself.
Makes a person wonder what kind of insecure blow hard feels it necessary to go on every thread on every topic and bloviate again and again

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Thanks BP, I ran CW Hoefer in the finals. He's not a local & currently one of the best in the West. The MPH difference was a rough one, but it worked in my favor.

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Go away old man you have been a loser your entire life and now followed me here.

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ad hom now. how far you have fallen

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imakehp has been here since 2009.

https://classracer.com/classforum/member.php?u=17798

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Shocking , He registered another name, like no one has done that before on an Internet forum.

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Back to the reason for this thread.

Yes it is. :D

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This thread has evolved into discussing what a giant D-Bag you are

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Says a giant D-bag, a pathetic loser who is only here to bait me,:p

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maybe you are not as dumb as I thought...Nah, you are even dumber than I thought

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Yeah, can we do that?

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A car can be competitive and junk at the same time. His car probably isn't worth 30 or maybe even 20k, but if he can make it work, it's competitive.

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It seems the general consensus is that S/ST is the true entry level class in NHRA div/Nat competition, and I would agree. It's pretty cheap to build a car that can somewhat consistently go 10.90 with or without a T-stop. Now I agree also that some people have gotten carried away with the class and are going 150-160+ for absolutely no other reason than saying they are the fastest slow car at the event. I've seen many many cars win plenty of rounds at <130mph in SST and even a few S/G cars win races at <140. Being fast makes you more competitive, but you can win with $15,000 and some know-how.

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You should know, you need them to hide.

I don't need, nor have another name here or on other forums. Shocking, I'm sure most members don't need one.

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wrong, I have 1 username here and I don't need to hide, I'm easy to find every weekend from April through October racing at tracks up and down the east coast and east of the Mississippi.

Now take El Duderino aka imakehp aka dave with you and crawl back into your holes from which you two losers think about me and my cars day and night, evident by the fact you're only posting here to bait me.

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Back to the thread title.
Here are my thoughts and opinion on this subject.
In my opinion, Super Street would be more likely to be the entry level class in NHRA Racing on the national level.

My reason is that the NHRA limits Super Street to one National within each division and Super Street does not run for a national championship. Whereas Stock does run for a national championship.

Also, anyone can buy a competitive car whether it be stock, super stock, or super street, the difference is stock and superstock may have to tear down at the track where superstreet does not. Buying a complete car is easy but the driver/owner may not have the skillset to do teardown at the track. This makes those classes a little more than entry level to me

I can speak from experience as I run both Superstreet and Superstock.

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1320, you can't do what you keyboard & you are in hiding. ;)

As for an entry level class, as been stated; my opinion in order; bracket racing, S/ST, then the slower classes of stock.

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After reading all the superfluous nonsense of this thread I still believe S/ST is, can and should be the "Entry Level" class. Let's get back to the theme of this thread.

My version of S/ST;
.5 Pro Tree.
10.90 Index.
2800 lbs. minimum.
135 MPH maximum.
NO ELECTRONICS, i.e., Delay Boxes, Throttle Stops, Two Steps or Grids. If I'm forgetting something please let me know.

This will enable beginners to tune their race cars, learn to cut a light and drive the stripe by the seat of their pants and without any enhancements. No mechanical teardowns, but stringent inspection for hidden wiring, also only the basic inspections for compliance and safety.

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Again, instead of changing rules for a class I run in why don’t you focus on a class you run in?
how about making stock, stock again? wouldn’t that be the easiest entry-level class ever to actually race a stock vehicle?

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EXACTLY!

Keith 944…KNOWS!

Again , stock is the entry level class! Anybody can take a stock, production American made car, manufactured by any of the Big 3 and run it in stock eliminator.

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I disagree, because Stock Eliminator requires an exceptionally level of technical execution and for those that are challenged by this will be at a severe disadvantage.

Oh by the way if it's that easy why don't you show us how it's done?

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Again, it does not in the year 2024 and if my son wants to race stock eliminator we will and I will show you how it’s done!

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its not you. its him.

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So are you saying those of us who run S/ST have no level of technical knowledge by which to execute the intricacies of Stock? Just curious

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That’s what he is saying Al!

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Al, that's not what I'm implying. My suggestion is for new racers to NHRA drag racing Stock may be overwhelming for those who may not understand what they are getting themselves into.
Super Street is by no means easy but Stock is harder in my humble opinion.

Ed, I don't think Al needs an interpreter, only an explanation. If he disagrees I'm good with it.

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It is very clear what you were implying and your opinion is just that and in no way represents the truth!

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Ed,

It was a suggestion based on Billy's question.

It seems to me your opinion shall never be doubted because it's the truth?

Frank

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Ken is it too late to lobby for a LMAO Button???

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I predicted it might go this way….
Post #19

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That would kill the class. No beginners are going to show up at Divisionals and especially Nationals for that. The class is what it is! I looked at the National Dragster online this morning and I'll be damned if they didn't refer to SST as an Entry Level Class In their eyes it it at the National level because we don't run for National points. SST is what it has become for a lot of reasons. There was the old rule that you couldn't run SST and another class at the same race. That was always referred to as the (Scotty Rule) as in Scotty Richardson. He kicked a little too much *** back in the day. Now anyone can run SST and Top Fuel at the same time if they want to.

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Why would anyone want to come in a class that’s easy anyway? shouldn’t there be some challenge? they have the rules, you build your stuff to the rules. And maybe just maybe you’ll be good at it
This goes for all NHRA classes. or just stay at home and bracket race or play your video games

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Pick a single model car in a slow FWD class so all physics works against weight transfer. Make it a car old enough to be cheap, new enough to still be available across the north. Now, make it a spec racer class. Put a crappy spec skinny tire on it that demands a driver to make it hook creating the great equalizer. Billy N can pick the car because he knows how to make cheap junk fly. The single car spec is necessary to minimize knowledge/experience level for tech inspectors. Yeah, it will be slow, but the racing should be close and cheap enough for anyone to afford.

If you make the ruleset right, the best will come to it. Take a look at "Spec Miata" in road racing. fabulous racing because all the cars are the same (or really close). Keep the rules tight, don't let rule creep happen. For big national events, bring a chassis dyno and anybody that makes too much power goes away. (NASA sports car racing does this, it isn't hard).

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Pretty sure the newbies would want a class that's easy or perceived that way. The more experienced racer is looking & understands the reasoning for the challenge!

It sounds like you are out of touch with bracket racing. There are many that travel cross country for bracket racing, including myself. It sounds like you think there's no challenge doing it. I've raced S/C & S/ST & big money bracket racing is on par with both. They all have their own, unique skill sets needed to be competitive.

If you or anyone thinks that you are special with your class or classes, you are racing. You're blowing smoke up your own butt.

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Lmao dude, slow down. I was replying to the question of nhra event classes, that does not include bracket racing. And for what it’s worth I won several “big money “ bracket races when $5k was huge! And I was a foot breaker so I guess that should qualify as skills. My original comment is that bracket racing is the only real beginners class, be it trophy, street, jrs what have you. But that it is not an nhra class.

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Keith, pay no mind to this clown. He’s nobody! Definitely not a class racer no a big $ racer. He’s got no Wally’s no big money checks. His definition of a big $ racer is being an also ran every year at the Vegas fling in Pro Et so he can tell the clueless that he races at the Vegas million. Though he’s never competed in the actual million. :D

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Yay! Keith, one of the main "issues" to building an "entry level" Stocker is finding a body for a reasonable price. At least a body that someone other than me would want to build. NHRA needs to somehow get more newer combos in the guide.

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Ya know Ed, one of the greatest quotes I ever heard from a great Racer was from a young Jeff Gordon when he was in his first season of NASCAR and kicking butt. Now I'm probably not going to get this quote just perfect but I'm sure that you'll get the gist of it.
"I am lucky that I was able to get the backing of people who believed in me. The greatest Racers never get the chance that I've gotten because they're never discovered."