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and I doubt very much that you are either.

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Duh this is the "lounge".....and this is a drag racing site for enthusiasts! One does not need a Stock/Superstock car to be an enthusiast! It's certainly not the Derby City's and Yac's that will prescribe what one's level of particiation will and should be.

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i never claimed i was, i go where the evidence leads, when ever i have a question, i go to experts that know more than me. not some politician or some famous person.

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Stan, I don't know what post you're referring to but I did say SOME in The Squad here, don't contribute anything meaningful to the rest of the forum.
As far as not liking somebody, I already stated I don't like liberals in general.
If one comes in my shop and they don't like what I listen to one the radio on weekdays ,I tell them to leave.
I would say, if you're worried about people not liking you on this particular forum , then stick to the tech issues, and cut the lefty crap down here in the forum.

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You're not presenting where you're getting the evidence that you're being led by.
I have quoted no politicians or famous people. I've only led you to a website that is quoting the CDC. You have SHOWN me nothing to contradict that site, you are only contradicting from your word-of-mouth.

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i am done, have a great day. i hope this has not made you sour on me.,

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David, I learned a long time ago to not "discuss" politics with certain people. Some of my best "racing buddies" are lefties. I hold no ill-will toward you and if you ever do get your 318 deal rolling and I can be of any help, don't be afraid to contact me if I can help.

Just going to something that Mark just posted about people coming into his shop, I had a very liberal "customer" come into my shop one time, walk right up to my radio and turn it off with the comment "I can't listen to that s#!t!". I quite calmly asked him to turn my radio back on and if he ever touched it again, I would break his hands. We've been fine since then.

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Not clear enough! I hope Ken let's me stay on here because all my race cars are gone! Accordingly, my knowledge of worldly events has certainly diminished as a result.

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I've been in Emerald Isle NC with the family for the last week. Little behind here.

Rick, whenever a Right to Work status is forced on a workforce, several things happen with the sole intent of making life hard, if not impossible for a small union to survive.
1) First, anyone is allowed to blow off the dues. So, if you don't want to join, you don't have to. I don't have a problem with this part, it's what comes next that I distain.
2) The local is required to treat a non-payer the same as a due's payer. So, if you get stiffed on your paycheck, the company balks at making it right, and you happen to be a non-payer and want to file a grievance and have the local pursue your claim, or even spend 5 grand on an arbitration, it MUST happen by the RTW laws. This is really hard on a local trying to survive. It spends our money and infuriates Stewards that are forced to take care of free loaders. Fair huh?
3) Then, once a year, at the locals cost a yearly election must be held. This ties up the local's money, and time. All "NO Shows" are counted as NO votes. So, if you have 100 members and 40 show up and vote yes, but 60 stay home, your 'voted out' and the local is dissolved. Fair huh?
4) Then there's the payroll deduction. In most RTW states it is illegal to withhold payroll deduction from a member's paycheck. It's fine if your withholding girl scouts, united way etc... everything is just as it has always been and not an issue, unless you're talking about and trying to withhold union dues. This is designed to turn the local into bill collectors. If you have an issue and can't pay, (the car broke down, dogs sick, etc) but this happens week, after week, after week. Its not very long till everyone else says, "HEY, if they're not going to pay I ain't either" and the hole system collapse's. Fair Huh?
5) It varies from state to state, but many RTW laws are written so that it is illegal to bargain for pay and benefits. You can bargain for language such as break times, work rules, major offences, etc. but the thing that's most important and the reason 90 % of folks want a union... is outlawed. Most employees' thoughts, mine included,.. is 'why have a union? What's the use? Fair huh?
As you can see, its quite clear when Trump ask for a National Right to work Bill he was not doing it for any other reason than to eliminate unions for good. There are only 10 % of the workforce still in organized labor and this would have been a death blow.
And yes, the larger Internationals can prop up RTW state unions. But it's not sustainable. And the Republicans know it. Thats the reason they have been on a 30-year RTW rampage. You will notice as soon as a state is solidly red, it's not long till the RTW legislation is forced through. Currently over 1/3 of the US is Right to Work, every single one in a very red state.

Trump has encouraged freeloaders, made it more difficult to enforce collective bargaining agreements, silenced workers and restricted the freedom to join unions:

Trump has packed the courts with anti-labor judges.

Trump has stacked the National Labor Relations Board with anti-union appointees (wall street attorneys) who side with employers in contract disputes and support companies who delay and stall union elections, misclassify workers to take away their freedom to join a union, and silence workers.

Trump has made it easier for employers to fire or penalize workers who speak up for better pay and working conditions or exercise the right to strike.

A Right to Work Union is nothing but a sham because freeloaders get the benefits others pay for.
I'm not voting for that, why would I?

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The term ?right to work? relates to or promotes the right of a worker to be able to obtain employment without being required to join a labor union to do so. When right to work laws are in place, workers cannot be compelled to pay for any cost of union representation, even if the union is active in the workplace and represents many of the other employees.

It is a government regulation of contractual agreements between labor unions and employers to prevent the exclusion of non-union workers.

You know and have heard of not joining the union.....slashed tires, broken windshields, beat downs. Unions are not necessary for a person to have a good living and enjoy your jobs. Over 90% of the work force is non-union. In 1983, 20% were union. Why the decline.....???? Unions are a business. Their income is from dues. They are not needed, the government regulates employment.

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Did you not read my post Gary? We have to represent them when they have no obligation to pay as all the other members. You think that's right? RTW is about getting people to "work for less". Period. You're a company guy. I sit across the table from guys like you. I remember the pricks and the dirty deeds done dirt cheap. You think it's not a 2-way street? You talk about twisting the word "intent" around! You guys were the BEST at it ! Amazing what butt hurt bosses will do. We just want left alone and a fair contract followed. And BTW, our local got along with the company just fine. When a company is making millions, no, Billions in profit there is no reason their employees can't make a middle-class standard of living. That's all we ask.
Before I end, you need to know how much I made in this business you seem to know all about. I had the local pay my union dues, 63 bucks a month. And we paid the vice, chief steward, and financial secretary also. All the members had to vote on the amounts. The international was sent 1/2 of our due's collections. With that money they trained our stewards, sent lawyers to arbitrations and negotiations, put together a nice newsletter that kept tabs on what the political parties was proposing and voting on that would benefit or harm us and took care of membership drives to help others wanting to unionize. The other half we kept in house to pay for our negotiators from the different departments during negotiations, paid me for putting on monthly union meetings (one for 1str shift, second and third) and paid to send our delegates to the conventions. We also had to pay for the union hall, the office supplies and such things as laptops, printers etc. The International President, the leader of the pack so to speak, could not make any more in wages than the highest paying dues members yearly wages. Sure you know what you're talking about there bub? All unions are not the same, but your adamant they are.

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RTW is about letting employees keep their hard earned money and not donate to the historical thuggery of unions. Have you forgotten, I was once a union steward for the Teamsters before I was a manager a Fortune 500 company. I've lived on and seen both sides and prefer employees being able to walk up to a manager and have a conversation without consulting the union first. Who issued your pay check and probably paid for most of what you have? The company. You have them to thank not a greedy union that takes your money. Have a nice day. No need for unions anymore.

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So.... the answer is to eliminate them. Thats your take on it Gary? Because that is what we're talking about. Trump is trying to wipe them off the surface. Not how much you personally like or dislike them. Your stewardship was back in the early, early days and I lived in that timeframe also. Unions are not remotely the same as back in the 60-70's. Somehow you think since you were a steward that all unions are just like the one you were in back in the day. Wrong. People that are currently, (not back in the hippy days), members of unions WANT them. And want left alone. You say Unions are not needed. Just go ask the members if they want to go without representation. Alot of people hate our noisy dragstrips too! Maybe we should just get rid of all those damn noisy places!

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The States with Prevailing wage laws and also allow Project Labor Agreements construction workers earn 2 to 3 times as much when including fringe. Contracts that are being signed this year are in the range of $14 to $16 hr increase over 4 years,.
Union trade school is free and you earn while you learn, your comment that Unions aren't needed today absolutely makes no sense!

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Try this on.

1. A young man in high school decides what he wants to do in life.
2. He goes to college, trade school, or OJT to be trained in his chosen field.
3. He applies for a job. Is explained the details of wages, schedule, and benefits.
4. He accepts the job. If he doesn't like it, he quits.
End of story...no union

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Quick note about "state prevailing wage". Who pays for that? (Hint...taxpayers)

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Ok, lets try this,
1) Its 1980. A young man goes to trade school and upon graduation hires in at his new dream job. Its nonunion. He is told about this "great retirement plan he will enjoy after X number of years. He works there 25 years and to his dismay a notice goes up on the bulletin board that due to financial changes the company retirement plan and retirement plan health insurance will be modified. Nervousness sets in as he knows he still has another 10 years to work before his planned retirement. He patiently awaits his "packet that comes in the mail. He and his wife are shocked to find out his health coverage after retirement has been cancelled, and the "system' they use to calculate his pension has been modified to severally drop his monthly pension pay. All of his and his wife's lifetime dreams will have to be modified, many of them scrapped.
VERSES
2) Its 1980. I go to trade school and upon graduation hire in at my new dream job. It's a union shop. I am handed a contract book after my 3-month probation period. In that contract is my Pension and Health coverage. One year during negotiations the company announces they are getting out of the Pension business and are refusing to comply to what was agreed upon during my hiring. We go on STRIKE. After a month of standing out in the cold, we win our demands and in 2017 I retire with all my agreed upon benefits. You know who that happened to ??.... ME!. Well, at least the #2 version. See the difference? And you say Unions are for the birds. This bird likes security, and unions do their best to give it to their members.

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This taxpayer does not have any problem paying workers a middle-class standard of living. None at all. I do however have issues with millions upon millions that are given to huge Oil companies and such

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Because the prevailing wage law was implemented by the state, public works projects that are controlled by the federal government do not need to comply with its terms. However, only projects that are 100% funded by the federal government and under their management are exempt.

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Everyone has their own perspective on unions but I can share mine based on managing a team of 200 machinist members of the IAM. Negotiating contracts and the language for distribution of overtime and such was never a huge problem. Hourly rate was always negotiated fairly easily unless the fully burdened rate would render our products too costly to compete. Larger issues were implementing productivity and/or quality improvements that the union felt could chip away at the total number of paying members. The poor performers were shielded by the union because again, the number of paying members were of the utmost importance to the union, not the productivity of the shop. A huge amount of my time was devoted to the discussion and arbitration of fairly petty issues. After two years in that role I was relieved to return to managing salaried employees, not to mention cutting my workweek from 70 to 50 hours

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Hi Jim
We found that the issue you speak of on any type of poor performance issue with select members was entirely the lazy company bosses that did not want to go through the correct, agreed upon process. The contract specifically lays out the steps taken to reprimand or terminate. It's agreed upon by both sides in negotiations. Bosses just don't want to mess with it. Many times, if they did actually do the process right, their previous inaction on buddy's, relatives, or favorites stopped a valid write up. When joe blows drinking buddy did the same identical violations last year and nobody said a Dag gone thing... why? One thing a local cannot tolerate is favoritism. Do it right or don't do it. We were fine with reprimand write ups and encouraged them if members were causing other members increased workloads at no fault of their own. We had nothing to do with the hiring or number of members in the workforce. That was clearly written up in Management Rights. They own the place; they staff it to their desire. Not real sure how your commits on staffing related to the local as most Management Rights are very similar. We did sit in on the interviews as the company wanted our input. Sometimes we could spot BS when management couldn't.

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Getting management to do their job was always a challenge, whether it was bonuses, performance evals, counseling, PIPs. They are either lazy or uneducated.

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The International Union of Operating Engineers is comprised of more than 400,000 members throughout the United States and Canada. Answer me this, who going to get the better health and dental insurance, who is going to get a pension vice a 401k that the individual pays for, who is going to work in a safe environment. Who is more likely to be screwed out of prevailing wage when working a public works job?????

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[QUOTE=Eddies66;698384]Getting management to do their job was always a challenge, whether it was bonuses, performance evals, counseling, PIPs. They are either lazy or uneducated.[/QUOTE
If they are ALWAYS a problem, you need to look in the mirror for allowing mediocrity to happen. Fire them.

You might be surprised how "random drug and alcohol" tests on Monday morning will weed out the undesirables, union or non-union.

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Sorry but in the refinery petrochemical industry your non union labor always has the best safety record! Have seen it first hand, it takes 4 people to do the job of 2 seen that first hand too. Also the bill rate to the customer is way higher than ours, please understand with the high bill rates we ALL pay for that. Look at auto manufacturers up their msrp rates 20 to 30 percent!! why you have 1 guy that drives a forklift delivering parts to the assembly line making 43 an hour! really we all pay through the nose for union labor, without justification! JMO

Example: Non Union company bids on a job at 86 an hour bill rate and has excellent safety record

The a Union Contractor has subpar safety record, bill rate is 110 per hour and they have twice as many people as non union!

who will you pick?

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This "healthy" conversation started when someone said "-I will always vote to support unions". How about if someone changes the wording and says "I will always vote for someone that pays me more welfare, or gives me an Obama phone, or gives me free medical?
I prefer voting for someone that will close the border, kick out illegal invaders, reduce inflation, reduce/eliminate CRIME/punish criminals/ 90 day death penalty for murder with 3 credible witness', fentanyl dealers, child molesters,. abortion should be a state by state issue, allow prayer in school. No school debt payoff. Massive reduction in foreign payments. I will vote for whoever does the most of these whether republican, democrat, or Elmer Fudd.

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You're talking about me. And yes, I will always vote for who supports me and my family. I've never been on welfare, never had a free phone, and never had free healthcare. But you're implying I have or value these. What's with you? I'm about to shed the kid gloves Mr. Gary. I have all the abilities of being a total dick. After a decade of dealing with your type, I'm capable. I refrain as we are all (supposed) to be racer buds.
I noticed you did not reply to my reply on your smart assss "How bout this" thread....The one I shot holes through by explaining in detail how the union kept me in a nice defined pension. All while our sister nonunion plants over in Sparks Nevada lost theirs. Right to Work gave those people a real whippin. And we have always enjoyed better wages, benefits, retirements, healthcare, and working conditions. Can't you just accept we have different circumstances? I don't harp for you to see things my way, but your adamit I'm in the wrong for voting differently than you. I don't see it that way whatsoever. It must be a management thing where condescending is the only way to evaluate. I was never management material. I could never suck that much a***. Just not for me.

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I am not trying to change your mind about unions. I'm trying to change how people vote for singular issues. Like: I'm not going to vote for Biden because he took a crap on stage in France. Or, I'm not going to vote for Trump because he said "grab her by the p---" how about voting for what is good for our country, in your opinions.

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Gary, Jeff will never understand that "I will always vote to support unions" and "I will always vote for someone that pays me more welfare" will "always" be the same statement.
He will not understand that sometimes what is better for the country as a whole isn't necessarily what is better for him.

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[QUOTE=SStockDart;698392]
You would be surprised, that if management did there part how quickly I could terminate one's employment with the Federal Government.

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The lowest bidder! And if the contractor was non-union I would check the certified payrolls on a weekly basis to ensure that they were being pay correctly. Last year a Operating Engineer Contract Compliance Officer recovered $3.5 million in wages from from non-signatory companies that screwed their employees out of prevailing wages.

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Billy, I have never been one of those 'I'll show you! Watch me shoot myself right in the foot"! When I vote, I do so in the same way mom used to make a cake. She had the basic ingredients. Without these you don't have a cake. You have flour, eggs, milk... Then you have the icing. It has to do with the flavoring of the cake, and most will find what it's made of is damn important. Then, lastly, you have the whipped cream. You don't have to have it, but you pay attention. It's a whoopie! if you can manage to get it (also)
My Basic CAKE ingredients are
1) My Standard of Living. For our family its always revolved around organized bargaining.
1B) Our family's Healthcare and opportunity to buy it. Trump voted 72 times to do away with my and family members preexisting conditions. My injectable infusing was 50 grand last month. What I have is hereditary, and several of my family members have it. Cousins, nephews etc.
1C) Social Security and continuation and support of it. Yes, I pay attention...Not just for me, but my kids future. Someday they will be old also.
1D) Taxes. It's obvious which party is on board with continually reducing wealthy folks' taxes. I think they're on the wrong path.
THE CAKE ICING
2) Gun control. I like my guns. But I don't
have any problem with registering them. I always have registered mine. Something has to be done. I'm for closing the loopholes at flea markets and gun shows. Doing nothing is not the answer. Will this fix's the problem. Nope
2B) Abortion and the Right of Women to have control of their body's. It should be between them, and their God
2C) The Climate. I think it's sad when my Grandkids look at me and say, " Thanks a lot Grandpa for leaving us this mess of a planet".
THE CAKES WHIPPED CREAM
3) The Border. Democrats are behind the eight ball here. I think their seeing the light, but the horse is already out.
3B) Military and the use of it. I'm glad were no longer in any wars. My Son was over in the sand for a couple years in an M1 A1 Abrams Tank.
3C) Gerrymandering. When what you're seeing, is not what you're really seeing. Seems crooked to me, and it is.

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"Trump voted 72 times to do away with my and family members preexisting condition coverage?".
Come on Jeff. Where and how could President Trump VOTE to eliminate preexisting coverage? Presidents don't vote for laws, they either sign or veto a bill that gets to him. Trump was not a member of Congress, therefore had no vote for enactment. Where did he vote 72 times?

Also....for your information....
AP FACT CHECK:
A look at Trump?s claim during a news conference Friday evening in Bedminster, New Jersey: (2020)

TRUMP: Over the next two weeks, I'll be pursuing a major executive order requiring health insurance companies to cover all preexisting conditions for all customers. That's a big thing. I've always been very strongly in favor. ... This has never been done before.

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Fact check

https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-ne...2a2eea2e03a475

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Ok, I not doing a deep dive, but trump pushed and pushed and pushed to eliminate the ACA. With absolutely nothing to put in its place, other than talk. You certainly remember that don't you? Republicans in Congress followed his lead, as they always do and voted over 50 times to repeal it. The ACA is the only protection for people with preexisting conditions. Until that point, I was uninsurable. I could not buy insurance because of my medical condition. I was lucky and in the group plan at work. I had been in it since 1980 and grandfathered in. Some of my family members were not so lucky. Can't buy life insurance either, but that's ok.
Now here's the rub, and its where the small details make a huge difference. This executive "order", and later the Republican last-ditch effort to repeal the ACA (called the mini repeal) did indeed guarantee a person preexisting coverage.... but at up to 5 times the price a healthy person pays. I was retired and in between the contracts coverage and getting to Medicare. I was paying 1200 a month at the time through Obammacare while all this stuff was happening. I knew I could not afford 6000 a month in premiums. Could anybody? It's the same as not having coverage. It's what we called in the Union as a bait and switch. They are simply pricing us out of it and all at the same time telling people its available. I'd like to have a private jet too !.. and its available, but I can't afford one.
https://time.com/4712725/ahca-house-...tes-obamacare/

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Glad you are taking care of your health. Don't like "always" voting for unions.

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Okay, I've said this before, but it bears repeating.
"Pre -existing conditions" doesn't fall under the realm of insurance.
Don't believe me , okay ..
Let's start and auto insurance company..We'll call it Jeffco Auto Insurance for Pre-existing Wrecks, and we'll see how long it stays in business.

Now, I wouldn't be opposed to a gov't agency to deal with this issue.
Not some huge building in DC, stuffed with bureaucrats...Maybe Des Moines, as an example
Make philanthropic and personal contributions tax deductible. otherwise fund it through congress with NO attachments or riders involved.
I would much rather see tax money go to this, rather than to Planned Parenthood, NPR, Ukraine, etc. What do you think?

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That is interesting Mark. I never had a reason to look into pre-existing conditions, so, I did some reading.

Can I be denied health insurance if I have a pre-existing condition?

If you are enrolled in a plan since 2010, then your insurer can?t legally deny you coverage or charge you higher premiums because you have a pre-existing condition.

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Just thinking about the millions of Illegal, UNINSURED, invaders in the US. Wouldn't every illness, disease or condition they have be pre-existing??? They aren't denied treatment, are they?

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Gary, I know plenty of people that have had their insurance dropped at renewal time or denied when sick and trying to purchase. I'm talking about pre-ACA Obammacare days. Most likely you do too. What I like, is Medicare. It's great. No questions, just keep breathing, pay the premiums and the plan does its best to pay the bill. I have an BCBS Anthem type F Medicare supplemental and between it and Traditional Medicare it's the best insurance I've ever had in my lifetime. No questions about preexisting conditions, no worry about being dropped. The only reason this type of system has not been put in place for rest of us is the insurance industry owns America, and we will never pry it away from them.
And BTW, March 10th 2010, is when the ACA Obammacare started. Thats why your 2010 date states you can't be denied. There is one exception in the ACA. If you're a smoker. The rates are higher if you smoke, But not because of illness.