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Lookin over the Reading entry list and run schedules I noticed that even though Factory X is listed as an Exhibition class nowhere do I see ANY entries or listing of any runs. What happened ??? FED 387

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They have been running.

J.R.

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Nothing on DRC --who showed what were the results
??

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It was an Exhibition Show, didn't count for anything so I guess they didn't
forward anything to DRC.

J.R.

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You could always ask the source, he will be glad to tell you what happened from what I hear.

Geoff Turk
309-360-9415 number is for the Blackbird Performance Shop, I am not giving out private info.

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No Standfield FX cars in attendance at Maple Grove. No Fords. No Black Bird.
Results posted on the NHRA site.
Lenny Lottig with the win.

Re: Fine them and then make it legal. Wowwser
 

I believe The Hord Family have Stanfield power.

J.R.

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Correct

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Now what? Everyone but Stanfield cars DQ'd? ClusterF_ _ _! Really trying to love this class but 4 cars does not make a good race

MADISON, Ill. - Final order after 2 rounds of qualifying in Factory X at the NHRA Mission Foods Drag Racing Series, 13th annual NHRA Midwest Nationals:

Psn---Num-Driver, Home Town, Car Type---------------Qual-ET--Qual-Spd-Top Spd

1 439 Stephen Bell, Shevreport LA, '23 Mustang 7.129 193.32 193.32
2 441 Greg Stanfield, Bossier City LA, '24 Camaro 7.142 189.55 189.55
3 445 Aaron Stanfield, Bossier City LA, '24 Camaro 7.166 190.43 190.43
4 290 Rick Hord, Orlando FL, '24 Camaro 7.335 187.36 187.36

------------ Not Qualified ------------

5 313 Jesse Alexandra, West Bend WI, '24 Camaro DQ
6 L177 Lenny Lottig, Meyersdale PA, '24 Camaro DQ

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Ladder so the DQ's are official. #Joke

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCS...er=30#indextop

MADISON, Ill. - Eliminations ladder in Factory X at the NHRA Mission Foods Drag Racing Series, 13th annual NHRA Midwest Nationals:

Psn--Car-#-Driver------------ET-----------------------------------------

1 439 S Bell 7.129 ________
|________
4 290 R Hord 7.335 ________| |
|________
2 441 G Stanfield 7.142 ________ |
|________|
3 445 A Stanfield 7.166 ________|

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Since I have a NHRA.TV subscription I?ve always watched Stock, Super Stock, Comp regularly and have watched Factory Stock and Factory X some but will no longer, what a farce.

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What in creation did they DQ Lenny Lottig for?
NOT having anything illegal???

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Our lower intake pans which have always passed previous eye and hand measurement inspections, failed the 3D scanner test for having too smooth of radius compared to there as cast intake. Our inspection was done after Q1 so we were unable to make any changes and told DQ for event. Of the 6 FX cars that were there I guess we won the lottery draw as we were the only two who torn down after the run. Hopefully the 3D scanner is going to be used more often as it will clearly make the lines go from gray to black and white. I had no argument other than see you at the next race.

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Hopefully precedent will prevail here, and a rule change will make your intake pan legal before the next event.

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Probably not, it isn't a Stanfield piece (I think)
If it was, then NHRA would have allowed either a change, or just run it that way :mad:

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That?s the crap part of this. With only a handful of cars , why didn?t they look before everyone ran q1? That?s Wasted time and effort!
Fans came for a show, not a four car show.

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The fans didn?t come to watch FX!

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Funny thing here is there were 6 cars there. The 2 they inspected were on the same team. Wouldn't it make sense if you're checking 2 cars, you would check one from each team and if one failed, check other team cars?
Did they check and factory stock car intakes with the scanner? Have to really love NHRA. Cant wait to see the scanner used in other classes. The real question is was the scanner paid for with the fines from the US nats disqualifications. The safety safari is going to have some over the top exotic equipment next season with all the fines levied this year. Cant wait to see it #roll-eyes

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so what youre saying is that just because an illegally modified part passed one time that said illegally modified part is now a legal part?
..you should be a laywer...or maybe you are..............

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and six cars is a show???
that class isnt growing much seems to me...me thinks that the racers that want to put that much effort and money into one of those cars is already racing pro stock...and with the weekly rules pencil dont see it growing much..

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They already did exactly that with the blower pulleys - illegal when they checked them, then made legal 2 days later.

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Ya know, as much as I would like to think that Factory X or Factory Stock is going to be the future of Pro Stock, with only the Mustang being built anymore NHRA is going to wind up with another nostalgia eliminator on it's hands in a couple of years.
IMHO, what they should be looking into for a future "PRO" eliminator would be either (heaven forbid!) the Factory race engines in pickups (a bodystyle that isn't going away and can be kept current) or small SUVs with 2 liter turbo engines. And the advantage of the latter would be all of the manufacturers world-wide that build small SUVs and 2 liter turbo engines who COULD become involved.

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Very interesting vision Mr. Nees,
Keep on,

Re: Fine them and then make it legal. Wowwser
 

Pro Stock Truck drew a lot more interest than this new "class".

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The National Hot Rod Association has many decisions to make for the future of the sport don't they?

Billy Nees is correct (as usual) FX seems to be unsustainable in it's current configuration. I like the idea of Pro Stock Truck (can imagine the giant egg on their face) but it is sustainable. Pickup trucks are here forever.

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I've wondered the same regarding the future of Factory Stock being that the mustang is the only car of the three that is still being built. I think the factory stock engines in 1/2 ton pickup trucks would be neat. Maybe another idea would be to use the newly popular "compact" pickup such as a Ford Maverick or Ranger, Chevy Colorado, Toyota Tacoma, Nissan Frontier, Honda Ridgeline, Hyundai Santa Cruz. Most of those companies makes a 2.0ish liter turbo engine. Maybe limit displacement, use a spec turbo, limit cylinder head modification. I know that imports can be a shaky subject, but they way outsell US made cars, and sure aren't going away any time soon. Maybe open up to a little wider fan base than just the "American Muscle" enthusiast.

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For me, this is just another example of non-racing execs trying to save a great class they've managed to ruin. And as so often in the past, create something that people just want to look away from.

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They sure do Frank! If they want to stay in business for a bit more than the foreseeable future.

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I can?t fault the logic of such a small pickup 2 liter turbo class but would the import racing subculture really be interested after they saw how NHRA treated Cary Bales? Would current class leaders be willing to make huge investments to play in a pencil whip class?

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They are making the "investments" now and tolerating the "pencil whippings"!


Ya know, about a million years ago Michael Beard proposed an "International Pro Stock" class to IHRA's Bill Bader Sr. (may he rest in peace). As I recall, he showed an interest in it but had too many other things going on at the time.

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Everyone related to drag racing hates 4 cylinders, take this from a guy who races one...

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Not withstanding all of the situations that have happened at the last couple of races, I'm not sure enough cars were built(or being built according to NHRA) to make this the class that was envisioned. The cars are wonderful to look at, and I'd love to have one. And if I could afford to build one( I Can't) a lot of these cars have Full Time Employees maintaining them, all very sharp people, and they don't come cheap. I also understand it costs more for a complete chassis than a Pro Stock Car. While the motors have restricted FSS rules, sometimes working around rule restrictions cost more that building a no holds barred piece. Love the cars, Love the Class, but with not being a Pro Class, I don't know how many people will pursue it in it's present form and cost structure.

J.R.

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That's not entirely true Jim. Last year I was told by my then DD that he couldn't believe how many "kids" stopped and looked at my butt-ugly 4 door Cavalier. At some point in time, those "kids" will (hopefully) be bringing their "kids" to the races and they have a tough time relating to their Grand-Pa's Copo and 500" V8s which haven't been built in decades. Nascar is going to/starting to have the same problem.

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Billy,
All your cars have been butt ugly. Maybe these "youngsters" are attracted to the weird and unexplained.
I would love to see you drive a real rocket like Gary Richard's A/SA Camaro.
Put it on the bumper bro!
Way Cool!

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I prefer Factory Stock over Factory x

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X2..

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I could get behind that too if they didn't blow the tires off so often. Making that 9" tire work on NHRA national event prepped surfaces has appeared to be very challenging given all the hp under the hood. Outside of the very strict rule book, it has just become another radial class where the cars go or don't go. I've never found that enjoyable in any form.

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Frank, go to a local track on a T&T night. It'll be packed with "kids" racing "weird and unexplained" cars (imports?). Yeah, there might be a few old men there with their new Challengers and some fast Diesel trucks but not many. "Kids" are going to race (if they're interested in cars at all) what they can afford and there ain't many '60s/'70s/'80s or even '90s American/RWD/V8/affordable cars around. What "kids" and their friends drive is what they will relate to.

Oh, can you give me the contact info of a body and paint shop who can guarantee me a tenth (or even .05) with a fancy paint job? I'd like to talk to them. ;-)

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Billy, I don't think they've seen your Novas. It has been a while...

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It's as good as any time to do my normal thread creep thing, since this reminded me of that sort of thing but 180 degrees out.

Jim Hooker is local and was part of our group who ran the streets and raced every sunday at the local drag strip. I knew him well and would often drop by his shop just to see what he was working on and, of course, swap lies.

He had just finished painting one of the most famous Pro Stock racer in history's new car. When the car was delivered, Jim got a phone call with fire coming out the receiver. The racer said that the paint job had added 30 pounds to the car. Threats of lawsuits, having Hooker pay for a strip and repaint at another shop, etc.

Jim isn't a shy guy. He told the legend that even if he put the paint and primer still in their cans, and his guns with hoses inside the car it wouldn't weigh 30 pounds.

Turns out the racer had forgotten that he'd added another battery and some other equipment. To his credit, he eventually called back and apologized.

So yes, Billy, gotta pay attention to that paint. lol.