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Good point! Even better analogy is buying near a racetrack! NHRA doesn't need these cars, just look at the post up here from people with 4 grade points trying to get in a National event. I had 4 and couldn't get in Maple Grove. After it dropped to 65 I watched it like a hawk all day Monday lol!

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Good point, there are traditional stockers not getting in. I think i counted 14 or 15 FS cars for Maple Grove.

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People have already spent double, triple, or quadruple what I did to run Super Stock. I still won races, and a World Championship. While I just missed them a few times on the ladder, I never had a heads-up run over several years in Super Stock. If I had a heads-up, I would lose. If I spent triple and they spent quadruple, I would still lose -- what's the point? No sense in spending money I don't have if it wouldn't benefit me. I worked on my car within my budget to try to go faster for my own satisfaction.

People outspent me in Crate Motor, too. I won some heads-up races, I lost some heads-up races. I set numerous records, won and lost Class, and won two World Championships and numerous Division Championships. How much someone else spends is completely irrelevant, so long as you can run under the index. I'm sorry if anyone is offended that they have more money than I will ever have. The Turismo must REALLY p*ss people off. :p

I love you, too, but you know me far better than to ever throw a BS line like "liberal"-anything my way.


This discussion is academic anyway, as IHRA is dying and NHRA isn't going to add Crate Motors.

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YEAH just like other people did in the past !
SO what?
What is it you want to forget ... FS, GT, ProMod, Bracket Racing, Pure Stock to Stock, Pro Stock...

Everything morphs because it can !!

D

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Pure Stock did not "morph into Stock", Stock was here first. NHRA tried Pure Stock for a short while several years ago, then dropped it.

As Michael stated, IHRA is dying, and NHRA is not going to add crate motors.
Nor add Pure Stock again.
Might want to build an NHRA car, or go bracket racing.

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Thanks for validating what I said Ed !
It was Pure Stock ever before it was Stock.
After 1973 the Blueprinted cams were reintroduced and has not stopped morphing.....
Basically Stock today is SS Lite !!
More complex and new rules implemented to keep the cars safe.

IHRA is not dying and will survive because enough us want it to.
I am not a complaining sideliner.
Doing my bit being a Contingency Sponsor.

Hope that someone on the Crate Motor side may do the same.
Create a buzz and start a movement !

Pure Stock LIVES !!
and
So will Crate Motor !!

D

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Dan I admire your enthusiasm but when you have a "National" event and don't even get 100 cars to show up I would say its definitely on life support. I don't know how you go to a track owner and try to sell them a National event next year after the numbers I've seen the last several races.
I do hope they make it and it turns around.

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Thank you..!
IHRA is attracting an ok amount of cars, just not enough !
I like the IHRA model which allows us two days to race.
Got a lot of ideas that think will work to attract racers and the public.

My IT business is 25 years old and you learn a few lessons.
How do you survive and profit in tough times.

I learned to ask myself Why and not others why?
Who, what, when, where, chasing the hidden, overlooked and subtle.

Mentioned this before
I will forever kick myself for not supporting Mike Beard on his second attempt to build up his S/SS race.
The Pure Stock Challenge had momentum and lost it.
It was an opportunity to attract more cars than the year before.
I let him down.

Crate Motor movement needs their own advocate.
Someone needs to step up to make it better.
I like that they do something different.

Already got one Movement to work on.

Dan

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Dan, I set NHRA national records in Stock back in the 1960s, and it was NOT the same as Pure Stock. Appearing to think we ran GM cams, right out of the box, stock appearing pistons & rings, etc,etc, shows how little you know about it.

When almost no cars or spectators show up, and pretty much no contingency sponsors, it is dying.

My business is 45 years old. I can tell when one is dying. IHRA is dying.

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That's for sure.
They don't want all the cars they have now.
Fall Vegas filled up @ 5 GP's, 6 weeks in advance. So, either they want you to go to more and more points meets, or just go away all together.
They only want 4 cars on Sunday for filler, so eventually, they'll probably just invite the top 4 F/X cars in points or something like that.
What they're actually doing is driving class cars back to the association races.
Most of them allow IHRA class cars. That's where C/M and Pure cars ought to do their racing.
NHRA doesn't want us..and they don't want you.