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Hemi Moose 12-06-2011 08:10 PM

Re: Original hemi dart information
 
I don't think anyone has posted to many pics of Chuck Ostrich's B029 Hemi Barracuda...I've always liked the color scheme of this car.
http://images32.fotki.com/v1062/phot...68Cuda1-vi.jpg
http://images32.fotki.com/v1058/phot...ona1969-vi.jpg

rickseeman 12-08-2011 06:30 PM

Re: Original hemi dart information
 
I love the old cars. In the old days I had a 65 SS Dodge (my favorite) and a 68 SS Dart. What people don't seem to know is you CAN go back. Today you can go buy a 2011 Drag Pak Challenger and take it straight to the track and run 9.60's off the showroom floor. In a wonderful package car. Roll cage, slicks, wonderful car. I prefer the 426 hemi engine myself but you don't have to work on this engine, you just enjoy your day at the track. And don't bother telling me about the money. It's a lot easier to come up with $96,000 today than $5,000 cash in 1968 when your *** was flat broke. You CAN go back. And you will enjoy it.

Paul Ceasrine 12-08-2011 09:13 PM

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Rick,

I agree,,
Back in 1968, if your car had a nice paint job and mag wheels, you
were considered 'upper-class'.

And if you brought your car to the track on a trailer, instead of
flat-towing,,,,,,,,,,WOW,,

And those Bock Drag Star trailers were only about $1100 in 1968.

It just seemed like you'd never have enough money to buy a trailer.

pc

Paul Ceasrine 12-08-2011 09:37 PM

Re: Original hemi dart information
 
Is it me, or did I fing another missing LO23...

Rick Kent,,,,,,,,,,,SS/B
'Instant Action'
American Falls, Idaho

Article talking about 'Ramcharger engines'.
No more blown engines for Rick Kent, as he switched to a 'Ramchargers'
built engine.

http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/...ent%201969.jpgIs

Hemi Moose 12-10-2011 04:27 PM

Re: Original hemi dart information
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Ceasrine (Post 297751)
Is it me, or did I fing another missing LO23...

Rick Kent,,,,,,,,,,,SS/B
'Instant Action'
American Falls, Idaho

Article talking about 'Ramcharger engines'.
No more blown engines for Rick Kent, as he switched to a 'Ramchargers'
built engine.

http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/...ent%201969.jpg

Nice find PC, do you have anymore stats or info on this L023 Hemi Dart...was it an early or late build car.

.

ww63 12-10-2011 05:06 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hemi Moose (Post 298036)
Nice find PC, do you have anymore stats or info on this L023 Hemi Dart...was it an early or late build car.

Last time I know the car changed hands was about 7-8 years ago, Was in Idaho and went to southern California

Hemi Moose 12-11-2011 04:57 PM

Re: Original hemi dart information
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ww63 (Post 298043)
Last time I know the car changed hands was about 7-8 years ago, Was in Idaho and went to southern California

Okay thanks for that info but do you know if it was a fairly original car, or was it turned into a modern day super stocker with all the trick parts.

Hemi Moose 12-11-2011 05:03 PM

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Anybody else here know wasn't this the 1968 B029 Hemi Barracuda that recently went through Barrett Jackson's Las Vegas auction a few months ago...does anyone here know the history on this car.
http://assets.hemmings.com/uimage/89...00-0.jpg?rev=1
http://assets.hemmings.com/uimage/89...00-0.jpg?rev=1
http://assets.hemmings.com/uimage/89...00-0.jpg?rev=1
http://assets.hemmings.com/uimage/89...00-0.jpg?rev=1
http://assets.hemmings.com/uimage/89...00-0.jpg?rev=1

http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/...a/1327873.html

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Liteweight 12-11-2011 06:56 PM

Re: Original hemi dart information
 
Same car.
Mike Booker campaigned this car awhile a few years back. Not sure of it's original history tho.

liteweight

Paul Ceasrine 12-11-2011 07:17 PM

Re: Original hemi dart information
 
Daryl,

Still stuck on the Michigan quest for LO23 cars.

Hard to believe only '3' original ordered LO23 cars were
Michigan-based.

* Don R. Brewer Dodge, (Port Huron),,,,(Gil Clark; driver)
* Robert Alton, Town & Country Dodge (Farmington)
* Richard 'Dick' Smith, Town & Country Dodge (Farmington)

We can throw out Van Dyke Dodge, as no has seen any documentation or car photo's.

Anyone have any ideas,,,,,,,,,,,or thoughts..

'Top' Michigan Dodge Dealers;
* Arborland Dodge, Ann Arbor
* Colonial Dodge, East Detroit
* Crestwood Dodge, Garden City
* Don R. Brewer, Port Huron
* Flint Dodge, Flint
* Hodges Dodge, Ferndale
* Holiday Dodge, Traverse City
* Motor City Dodge, Detroit
* Northfield Dodge, Grand Rapids
* Schultz Motors, Milan
* Spartan Dodge, Pontiac
* Taylor Dodge, Warren
* Town & Country Dodge, Farmington
* Tri-City Dodge, Ironwood
* Van Dyke Dodge, Warren
* Bill Vreeland Sales, Adrian
* Westwood Dodge, Livonia

ww63 12-12-2011 09:46 AM

Re: Original hemi dart information
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hemi Moose (Post 298226)
Okay thanks for that info but do you know if it was a fairly original car, or was it turned into a modern day super stocker with all the trick parts.

Late 70s technology

Paul Ceasrine 12-12-2011 04:12 PM

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1969,

Linda Vaughn explaining the mechanics of a 440 6-Barrel, and the
advantages of air-flow and fuel mixture of a 3-carburetor set-up, as opposed to one large carburetor.
Buster Crouch, Ronnie Sox and Buddy Martin, are in-tune with this
important lesson.

Notice the '2' BO29 Super/Stock Hemi Barracuda's, watching from the
background.
http://image.hotrod.com/f/32750800+w...nda-vaughn.jpg

Hemi Moose 12-12-2011 04:31 PM

Re: Original hemi dart information
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Liteweight (Post 298243)
Same car. Mike Booker campaigned this car awhile a few years back. Not sure of it's original history tho.
liteweight

I did some digging and it seems that this B029 Hemi Barracuda was listed as the Old Trapper on the Barrett Jackson's auction website, it also listed a full VIN # and description of the car...I knew that they ran a L023 Hemi Dart called the Old Trapper, but I wonder who's B029 this was originally...anyone, Mark J.
Quote:

This is a very famous factory B029 Super Stocker raced from 1968 up until a few years ago out of the Northwest. It was known as Old Trapper. All documents and magazines go with the car. Galen Govier certified with papers. Ray Barton engine.
http://www.classracer.com/classforum...1&d=1299129911

68hemiss 12-13-2011 12:36 AM

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As far as I know, there was no "Old Trapper" 68 Hemi Barracuda - a 70 SS/DA Barracuda yes, a 68 Hemi Dart, 67 Hemi Belvedere - no 68 Barracuda though.
This is the Southland Flyer that the Teuton's raced for many years. They bought the car from Ed Miller - not his original car though.
Mark J

marfen 12-13-2011 01:27 AM

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Mark's right there was no Old Trapper BO29 car . They campaigned the 67 X, Didluck's LO23, 2 70 Hemi Cudas. all accounted for. The only BO29 raced out of western canada , in particular Alberta-home of Rhonagon's Old Trappers, was Renald Griess's BO29 late 1990s/early 2000s before he sold it. Allyn Lee and his brother did have one of the Old Trapper 70 Cudas, ran it for years after they acquired it from Rhonagon.

GTX JOHN 12-13-2011 04:52 AM

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I talked to owner ( He is in next town) prior to Barrett and asked if if the car used to be an Old Trapper car. I was driving to Walmart and saw to car being
loaded and stopped. He seemed to be under impression that it was a former Old Trapper car. He has a BO Dart in his shop among other cars that he allowed me to see.

Hemi Moose 12-13-2011 07:28 PM

Re: Original hemi dart information
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by blakkmaxx (Post 293710)
What about the 2 Wayne county darts. They ran at Chandler Ind. for a couple of years around 1971 and modified production cars and eventually pro stock. Quite strong along with the Lone Star Darts of of Clarksville Tenn.

http://www.colesy-juniorstockforum.c...le.php?id=5855

marfen 12-13-2011 08:58 PM

Re: Original hemi dart information
 
GTX John, that BO29 may very well have been campaigned under an Old Trapper name but by a different owner. I'm trying to say that a BO29 Barracuda was never campaigned by Jim Rhonagin and his drivers/team mates Alberta Branan or Dick Panter, Alberta Canada who raced under the Old Trapper name back in the late 60s/early 70s . A few identical car names have been used by more than 1 owner over the years so it's possible..

Stewart Way 12-13-2011 08:59 PM

Re: Original hemi dart information
 
Paul
If I understand your 12/11 post you are looking for LO23 Darts sold in Mich. to Mich. residents. How about the John Rivers of Detroit. He bought one from Van Dyke Dodge on 7/25/68 for pickup at the Hurst facility. I have a copy of the RETAIL BUYERS ORDER.
It was an automatic.

Paul Ceasrine 12-13-2011 09:59 PM

Re: Original hemi dart information
 
Stewart,

Thanks for the information.
If John Rivers got his LO23 Hemi Dart from Van Dyke in late-July 1968,
then he should have one of the last cars, VIN# LO23M8B391***.

Still find it baffling on just how few LO23 Hemi Darts were Michigan-based.

Hard to imagine;
* Hodges Dodge
* Spartan Dodge
* Bill Vreeland Sales
* Tri-City Dodge
* Crestwood Dodge
* Schultz Motors

Missing out in not getting one.

68hemiss 12-14-2011 01:50 AM

Re: Original hemi dart information
 
If we are talking about the same car - the red, white and gold Barracuda that Mike Booker had - this is the Southland Flyer car that Joe Teuton Jr raced - it was bought from Ed Miller at the Gatornats (years ago - and no this was not Ed's Original car). The car is originally from NC (not S&M) and Roy Hill also raced it years ago.

I have seen the Johnny Rivers paperwork from VanDyke Dodge and I do not believe that is authentic. I have many copies of Dealer paperwork and they look nothing like this. There was a Johnny Rivers that bought a Dart new from White Bear Dodge though.
Mark J

68hemiss 12-14-2011 01:55 AM

Re: Original hemi dart information
 
Paul,
There was an article in one of the east coast magazines (possibly Cars Illustrated) that had a road test on the then new 69 1/2 6 BBl Superbee that mentions they got a guy named Marshall Gold to do the test driving and that he spent his spare time rowing the shifter on an SS/B Hemi Dart. I contacted Al Kirchenbaum (who wrote the srticle) and he didn't remember this - possible lead on the Manhatten Speed Shop Dart??
Mark J

Hemi Moose 12-14-2011 04:00 PM

Re: Original hemi dart information
 
Here's a couple of shots of the Demented Dart.
http://www.firebirdonline.com/blast_...e_60s_pair.jpg

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/...miitems047.jpg

http://www.dragracealberta.com/index...arkracing4.jpg

marfen 12-18-2011 07:01 PM

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Demented dart LO23 and Mr 5 and 50 BO29 for sale at Barrett Jackson 2012. They indicate incorrectly that the dart was the only export car, guess they don't know about the Old Trapper sold new out of Calgary.

Paul Ceasrine 12-18-2011 07:59 PM

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Mark,

Still searching on the Marshall Gold connection.
Al Kirchenbaum was Rockville Centre Dodge Performance Car
manager around mid-1969.

I believe he was the 'care-taker' of the 440/6 'press test car', also.

If there is a connection, Marshall Gold could have been
the driver of the Manhattan Speed Parts Dart, or driver of the
Mutt Brothers Dart (ex S & K Dart), or
did Rockville Center Dodge have a LO23,,,,,,,,????

pc

Hemi Moose 12-18-2011 08:20 PM

Re: Original hemi dart information
 
Jack Werst's Mr. 5 & 50 B029 68 Hemi Barracuda.
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/stagi...nt_3-4_Web.jpg
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/stagi...Engine_Web.jpg
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/stagi...terior_Web.jpg
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/stagi...ar_3-4_Web.jpg

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/appli...&aid=443&pop=0

Charlie A 12-18-2011 08:23 PM

Re: Original hemi dart information
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Liteweight (Post 83852)
Hi my name is Daryl;I am new to this forum,& I'm REALLY hoping someone can help me out with some history of my 1968 original Hemi Dart. I lose it's past from the early 80's back to 1968.I am enclosing some pictures of it when it was purchased from Lou Vignona back in 1985??.There is one picture that shows a decal from the 1977 Bracket Nationals.Maybe someone will regognize it.
This is what I know of the car so far.Lou Vignona said he purchased it from some guy in Mt.Kisco(Cisco??) N.Y in the early 80's.It was in an underground parking lot of some apartment complex.The guy told Lou that it was Charlie Castaldo's Auto. car. I have since found out that it is not Castaldo's car thru talking to one of Charlie's crew members at the time by the name of Charlie Licata.When Lou purhased the car,he had it painted white.This is how Tim Henessey purchased it in 1985.
I have heard some storys about an original Hemi Dart in the N.Y. area that was known as the "two scoop Lido" car.I understand that this Lido guy installed some aftermarket scoop on top of the original scoop.Thus the name.I have spoke with Tim Henessey about this & he did say the original scoop was really messed up so he had to replace it when he restored the car.
If anyone can help me out on this,I sure would appreciate it as I have been searching for info. now for over 3 years,maybe 4.Any little detail may help no matter how small it may be.
Thankyou; Daryl


So 1200+ posts later, are you any closer to the heritage of your Dart?

Paul Ceasrine 12-18-2011 08:43 PM

Re: Original hemi dart information
 
Barrett-Jackson,,,,,,

should be ashamed of themselves,,,,,,,,
claiming that the recent 68 Hemi car was the only exported 68' Race Hemi.

Brings back memories of Craig Jackson stating that Ray Allen's
70' LS-6 SS454 Chevelle convertible was undefeated in SS/EA.

No reason to lie,,,,,,or fabricate a story..

Hemi Moose 12-18-2011 09:37 PM

Re: Original hemi dart information
 
What the Demented Dart L023 Hemi Dart looks like today.
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/stagi...nt_3-4_Web.jpg
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/stagi...Engine_Web.jpg
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/stagi...terior_Web.jpg
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/stagi...ar_3-4_Web.jpg

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/appli...&aid=443&pop=0

marfen 12-19-2011 12:34 AM

Re: Original hemi dart information
 
Check out the width of those rear hides, that car was tubbed enough to stuff 16" wide tires under there, pretty sure when I saw the car years ago there was rear frame relocation.

marfen 12-20-2011 02:25 AM

Re: Original hemi dart information
 
Some great pics of 68 BO & LOs back in '68 can be found at bobsnyderdragphotos check out the Superstock nationals NYNS 1968 gallery esp the last couple pages. Landy, Arlen w. a very early paint job, Shahan, S & M, Hemi Hunter, incredible pics , great engine shots, etc.

troublemaker427 12-21-2011 08:51 AM

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http://youtu.be/UMHXitkbMWc

I found this over on Bangshift.com. Lots of cool footage of the "Wildfire" Dart.

Hemi Moose 12-22-2011 08:35 PM

Re: Original hemi dart information
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Ceasrine (Post 295662)

Dean Nicopolis, 1968 SS/BA Hemi Barracuda

June 1969, 1st Annual Popular Hot Rodding Championships
@ Martin US 131 Dragway, Michigan

Dean Nicopolis Hemi Barracuda
Featured articles in;
October 1969, Popular Hot Rodding Magazine
May 1970, Super Stock and FX Magazine

http://www.colesy-juniorstockforum.c...le.php?id=2541

Here's another clearer shot of Dean Nicopolis, 1968 B029 Hemi Barracuda...with second paint job.

http://www.colesy-juniorstockforum.c...le.php?id=7154

Hemi Moose 12-22-2011 08:45 PM

Re: Original hemi dart information
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Ceasrine (Post 297751)

Rick Kent,,,,,,,,,,,SS/B
'Instant Action'
American Falls, Idaho

Article talking about 'Ramcharger engines'.
No more blown engines for Rick Kent, as he switched to a 'Ramchargers'
built engine.

http://www.hamtramck-historical.com/...ent%201969.jpg

Found another shot of Rick Kent's 68 L023 Hemi Dart...so who owns this car now or what name was it raced under.

http://www.firebirdonline.com/blast_...tp5_26kent.jpg

Hemi Moose 12-22-2011 08:50 PM

Re: Original hemi dart information
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by marfen (Post 299922)
Some great pics of 68 BO & LOs back in '68 can be found at bobsnyderdragphotos check out the Superstock nationals NYNS 1968 gallery esp the last couple pages. Landy, Arlen w. a very early paint job, Shahan, S & M, Hemi Hunter, incredible pics , great engine shots, etc.

Very nice shots although all of those photo's are protected so you can't link to them...again cool pics though.

http://www.colesy-juniorstockforum.c...le.php?id=4654

Paul Ceasrine 12-26-2011 10:58 AM

Re: Original hemi dart information
 
Brodlieb Motors
Woodmere (Long Island), New York

Though a small dealership, it was a dynamo dealership for performance
parts and cars, and held 'Super Car Clinics'.

Some have said that they received a BO29 Hemi Super/Stock Barracuda.

Supposedly, the car was taken out for a test run, and crashed into a
telephone pole,,,,,,?????

The 1965 Barracuda (pictured below), was a 273/180 HP (2-Barrel).
Campaigned in 1965 (I/SA), 1966 (J/SA),1967 (I/SA) and 1968 (N/SA).
It was a very successful stocker out on Long Island (Islip Speedway and Westhampton Dragstrip)

http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclec...cuda-1964a.jpg

Hemi Moose 01-02-2012 07:27 PM

Re: Original hemi dart information
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hemidart3 (Post 296900)
charlie a: here's a picture thompson's car that i scanned (so the picture dimensions are off a bit). dave

Found another shot of Joe Ralph Thompson's L023 68 Hemi Dart.

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f3...g?t=1230728498

Charlie A 01-03-2012 09:35 AM

Re: Original hemi dart information
 
He ran a bunch of Dodges back in the day.

I think the first one I saw was his 64 before they altered the wheelbase.

Thanks for the pic.

Hemi Moose 01-03-2012 08:25 PM

Re: Original hemi dart information
 
Here's a few of Rudy Schings B029 68 Hemi Barracuda...anyone here have any info on this car's history, heard it was bought out of Pete Myl's Chrysler in Pennsylvania.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3428/...d2863a3586.jpg
http://images9.fotki.com/v1541/photo.../img434-vi.jpg
http://images9.fotki.com/v1543/photo.../img396-vi.jpg

Steve Stasko 01-03-2012 08:31 PM

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Tom Myl was the original owner.


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