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Re: Factory experimental

Bruce I did not realise that you had a dog in the fight. It sure is funny how a "Paper Car" in your class changes your point of view. How would you like to try to compete with 39 year old cast iron heads. Enjoy ! See you at the races, you can beat my old stuff!

Re: Factory experimental

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Originally Posted by 1664SSJA (Post 102018)

That's Nothin........ I heard Evan and Kenny ran one at ATCO today and went 9.35 @145MPH, and there is still 3 inches of snow on the ground, and they were usin old Goodyear studded snow tires.

I heard that too, but I heard it was studded hoosiers, and they clicked it at 1000 ft.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmdXY...eature=related
Bob Tasca 10.81, John force 10.84 Both around 128mph

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ic2i2...eature=related
And here's one running a 14.92!

The pair missed gears and spun....and so did the loner running a 14.92...hp ain't everything. I guess getting 1000hp on pump gas and exh manifolds to hook is pretty hard though.

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Originally Posted by goinbroke2 (Post 102014)

I heard one just made a 8.50 170mph pass!!

Well everybody else is throwing bull**** numbers and causing controversy just for the sake of keeping the panic alive I thought I'd add to it.

If you look at the posts, there are certainly more saying "let them run and then sort them out" than there are screaming "the sky is falling, the sky is falling". And what happens when after 3 passes the u-joints blow because they're too small or some other type crap? What if they can't get them hooked up? We can "what if" all day both ways. "What if, they run really good" or "what if they run really bad". How about "let them run and lets see" like was posted about a thousand posts ago! We WILL find out shortly!

Has anybody else heard of these 800hp numbers, first hand? I'm just curious because I did some searching and can't find that number anywhere.

No, some people are here out of genuine concern. Those guys are just having a decent, civil conversation. What you are doing, or why, I have no idea.

Experience will give you a good idea how much HP can be had. Anyone who's been doing engines for a few years can give a pretty decent estimate, at least fairly accurate.

You can put 1350 series (1 ton truck) u-joints on a chrome moly drive shaft with billet yokes in the new car, just like you can any other stocker. I don't see them blowing u-joints or driveshafts out on the track. Or rear ends. Or transmissions.

They put John Calvert in one, his stuff helps hook a lot of stockers (including our two), I'm sure John can figure it out pretty well. I just don't see John not solving traction issues. At least not for long.

I want the factory cars to race, all of them GM, Ford, and Chrysler. It's good for the sport. The flip side is I do have a serious concern as to them being correctly and accurately factored. I know exactly where Bruce is coming from, and why he started this thread. And that is saying a lot, since Bruce and I don't agree a lot. We've got over 3 years invested in an A and AA car. So when a guy says he's concerned because he may have to race one of the new cars for class, he may have to face it heads up during final eliminations, or he may have to qualify against it, I can understand his concern. The AHFS is notorious for it's deficiencies, and how it can be "gamed". As to trusting NHRA to "do the right thing", well, exactly how often has that happened recently?

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Well it must have happened recently, the LT-1 was factory rated at 275 in stock, what is it now?

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Originally Posted by MPR (Post 102034)

Well it must have happened recently, the LT-1 was factory rated at 275 in stock, what is it now?

The LT-1, even if you figure they allowed it to be run in 1998 cars ( I wasn't there, never raced one, no dog in that fight), is ten model years old, at the newest. So, how long has it taken? It can take years for the AHFS to correct a combination, if it corrects it at all. That is why people are concerned.

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Alan,
We agree on this one. There are a few guys who always come in on these long threads just to mix things up. But, not one of the nay sayers has yet to offer a reasonable objection for putting these cars in a Factory Experimental class. No one has denied that this car is soft. The Ford guy claims 800 Horsepower. Was the Ford guy lying? I asked Evan if he had ever heard a Ford guy say the same thing, but no word from him. The guys can play with the numbers, here on the site, all they want but they have nothing to offer this discussion. Finally, there is no response from the Ford guys on the CJ's technical issues that are being hammered out in Glendora.

Larry,
My old Corvette won't have anything for your car. But I'm going to run it any way. At least until I get the small block finished.

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Originally Posted by MPR (Post 101995)

Taylor, I agree completely. The NHRA has no intentions of eliminating the 40 year old stuff but it is called Stock Eliminator and all the new car brands should and will be represented.
The NHRA does have a horse power factoring system which has been implemented many times in the past. If and when the Cobra Jet runs quick enough, the adjustment will be made but it needs to happen first.
It’s hard to believe there are NHRA racers that would like to factor another fellow participant before they ever make a single run. Bruce, are you saying the NHRA hasn’t classified the Cobra Jet in a fair and honest manner. I’m not sure where your info came from but I trust the NHRA has as much info as the rest of us. I’m sure they will do the right thing as soon as the CJ earns its punishment.
Ed, why should new high horse power cars run only in super stock? If the factory is building them for stock and they are, what’s wrong with that? After 40 years I would hope the auto industry can give us stuff that can out run the antiques. Yes, no new classes in stock! It would be great to see an F/X class in Super Stock for new Mustang, Camaro and Challenger to race against each other. Maybe someday when the industry rebounds this might happen.
For now I think Fords efforts are great for the entire sport and the NHRA. Hopefully the Hemi Challenger will begin to appear at the races and again give some people something to complain about. Face it, in order for Stock to be just that, Stock, new body and engine styles need to be competing at the races. History needs to be afforded the opportunity to repeat itself like in the 60’s and 70’s. New cars not 40 year old cars made Stock Eliminator what it is. I know we are all getting older but ask your self, how many 1920’s cars were in the parking lot when you went to high school?

Mike;
If the cars fit into the hp/wt guidelines without carrying overly excessive weight I think that's fine.But if the new Mustang is grossly underrated it should be a SSer as any others would.I'm not clear on it but what engine would the new Camaro be legal with?What hp/wt ratio?I'm sure the Mustang would fit into SS/a or B no need for a new class.
Someone out there enlighten me if I'm wrong.

Ed F.
Lowly T/SA

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Maybe the Ford guy saw your "Chevy Power" T-shirt and the Bowtie tattoo and told you 800hp to shoo you away. There is no way it makes that 800hp in legal Stock trim.

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Junebug,
I was wearing a suit during the SEMA Show.

This thread has been running for a week now and I've stuck with my responsibility of responding as best I can. After a period of time, it becomes easy for some clown to blow stuff bye me but I do know what I was wearing. Thank you for your very enlightened response.

Re: Factory experimental

Has anyone heard about the new Ford 6.2 L (N/A) big block being tested in these cars? That would probably be the "right" combination for the next batch of Mustang Stockers don't you think?