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David Lee 08-02-2017 10:07 PM
Re: Important if you run D-H/S or SA
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 540859)
David, you apparently don't know many hardcore Stock Eliminator racers.
how did you determine that? And you really are so target focused on a couple of mopar engines having a intake that you think they should not have is limiting you to see the full picture. I am done, you can'y convince someone who is not willing to listen

Mark Yacavone 08-02-2017 10:10 PM
Re: Important if you run D-H/S or SA
 
350 blocks rare or something? Why would they even approve an after-market block to replace something that can be found in any junkyard in America?

David Lee 08-02-2017 10:14 PM
Re: Important if you run D-H/S or SA
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Precht (Post 540870)
David, it would be a good idea to fill them also. A stock 340 typically has about a .100" thick wall and if you run it as a .060" 318, you'll have approx .135" which won't break but it won't make great power either. A lot of aftermarket blocks have about .300" walls.

I was planning that already, when I ready to start my engine, everything will be loaded up for a trip out to Shane's place in Utah and brought back home for assembly. Right now I look like a ghost from body filler from working on the roof

Michael Beard 08-03-2017 10:13 AM
Re: Important if you run D-H/S or SA
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by David Lee (Post 540873)
how did you determine that? And you really are so target focused on a couple of mopar engines having a intake that you think they should not have is limiting you to see the full picture. I am done, you can'y convince someone who is not willing to listen
That *is* the topic of the thread. And what do you mean that he "thinks" they should not have? It's an aftermarket performance intake, and it didn't come on production cars. Period. What's so difficult to understand about that? If you want to run an aftermarket intake, run Super Stock. It's funny how people work so hard to get aftermarket parts approved that "aren't worth any power or ET".

If you want to start a thread on blocks, feel free to do so. That too should be either everybody can have them, or nobody can have them. Happy?

It's also funny how people derided crate motors for years... NHRA is turning into nothing but crate motors, between the "Factory" cars and all of the aftermarket and superceded parts.

GTOMayhem 08-03-2017 10:52 AM
Re: Important if you run D-H/S or SA
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd Hoven (Post 540842)
I reenergized post but I've said very little since .
You've never asked me the question directly. I'll give you my take on it. I build my own engines for better or worse. My performance level with my car is respectable. I have a production block in my car that has been honed 3 times and holds a pretty round cylinder. I have good ring seal and a pretty sound reworked oiling system to keep from running over my main and rod bearings going down the track at the RPM I run it at.

I have a new aftermarket block that is being machined to replace my block. For the most part it will have all the same parts in it as the engine I run now. Same heads and intake that I run will go on this new piece. I would be very suprised if it's 5 Hp better. It should stay round all the time from first hone on. One of the draw backs is its 46 pounds heavier than my stock block. Now the car has to be changed around to offset that. When I run it I'll tell you how much it's better than the stock block. If I had my choice, I'd take the better heads and intake any day.

No tap dancing here. Does that satisfy your question from the Pontiac end? BTW do you build any engines or even race stock.

I don't blame anyone who races that combo, especially Tom,Jerry, or Steve. They did the homework, the r&d and put it into action. They are all hard workers and stand up guys. It's up to us as their competition to try and keep up.
Todd you have a PM.

Rick Thomason
GTOMayhem

4406mopar 08-03-2017 12:17 PM
Re: Important if you run D-H/S or SA
 
Do you men have anything better to do?

All these parts are accepted within the rules. Even all the Parts for GM cars. Like 200 transmissions behind big blocks and 3 speeds in all the power glide only cars. Your beloved GM saw fit to produce these vehicles with just two forward gears, and now you are blessed with an extra gear and still point the finger at the others, well look in the mirror.

No, none of this Is fair, but it is legal according to your sanctioning body.

junior barns 08-03-2017 12:25 PM
Re: Important if you run D-H/S or SA
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 4406mopar (Post 540902)
Do you men have anything better to do?

All these parts are accepted within the rules. Even all the Parts for GM cars. Like 200 transmissions behind big blocks and 3 speeds in all the power glide only cars. Your beloved GM saw fit to produce these vehicles with just two forward gears, and now you are blessed with an extra gear and still point the finger at the others, well look in the mirror.

No, none of this Is fair, but it is legal according to your sanctioning body.
I don't know much about this combo. Did it come with an aluminum intake from the factory??

4406mopar 08-03-2017 01:49 PM
Re: Important if you run D-H/S or SA
 
It's all baloney, but it is legal.

340 didn't come with aluminum intake, 396-427 never came with a 200 trans, and all those powerglide cars never came with a 3 speed. Why not give all combos and extra non overdrive gear?

Greg Hill 08-03-2017 03:41 PM
Re: Important if you run D-H/S or SA
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 4406mopar (Post 540909)
It's all baloney, but it is legal.

340 didn't come with aluminum intake, 396-427 never came with a 200 trans, and all those powerglide cars never came with a 3 speed. Why not give all combos and extra non overdrive gear?
What do transmissions have to do with this thread. It's about an Edlebrock manifold that has been recognized as a superseded part that, was not legal for 45 years, and now all of a sudden even though it hasn't been made in 20 plus years is legal.

Ron Ortiz 08-03-2017 05:11 PM
Re: Important if you run D-H/S or SA
 
Maybe you need to talk to the people who approved the manifold, or for that matter, a whole bunch of other approvals of components. Don't forget that these people have already proved that they can take a whole combo and reclassify it to make it better or worse. A component is just minimal.

It is their sandbox, their rules, and their interpretations, and it is not going to stop.

Now, go back to this thread and continue your debates.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA I'll just write this letter.


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