Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 257296)

Yes , and then the slower car has to look over his shoulder for the rest of the race.

This still has nothing to do with the unequal red light jeopardy issue , which if changed ,would not benefit or be detrimental to one particular car over the other.

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich (Post 257301)

The starting line, by the very nature of handicap racing, is unequal. So is the finish line.

Originally Posted by cicero819 (Post 257300)

..... having a clean tree....

Originally Posted by John Kelley (Post 257251)

You are just a typical real estate "snake oil" salesman......a WHOLE lot of BS !
Make up some more fairy tales....
I thought you bailed out and went to the other forum because you couldn't advertise you buisness here !!
Did Dale BOOT you too ?

Originally Posted by bill dedman (Post 257241)

Whoever he is, he is an idiot.

Jeff, are you familiar with the saying, "the fox is watching the chicken coop"?
[*]Right with the idiots are running the asylum


You wrote:
"Because the guy red lit and eliminated himself from competition. He left before he was allowed to go."

[B][*]Play Russian Roulette with a friend. First or worse?[/LIST]
So, when would you see the other side of that coin; when the SECOND guy to go would red light and make it so the first guy to go never had a chance to red light?"

[*]That's living a lie. The first guy DID red light. You can't wish that away.


Answer that,please.

No more comments, just answer that question.

Sure. To follow. And you will also discuss my presentation of the theoretical discussion as to WHY NHRA may have instituted such a plan (first red light out; build a faster car, generate growth and revenue. By the way, the NHRA official said that had strong merit). The sport does not grow with everybody competing to have the SLOWEST car.

If you can't, or won't, you join the ranks of the other posters on this board, who, when confronted with the unanswerable, logical, real-world questions that expose this one-sided rule for what it is, a "gimmee" for the second car to leave just ignore the question, like it never existed

As you constantly remind the readers here, despite the fact you no longer nor ever plan on participating in our sport (which this site is dedicated too), I can post what ever or as little as I wish. Or is this just YOUR SOAPBOX?
Frankly, I find it dishonorable one would try to affect a rule upon those that do participate in our sport when you have no skin in the game. I say take your cause to the bracket racing rules committee.

You have aligned yourself with people like the two Eds, who refuse to even acknowledge, much less answer the questions like "Who would be damaged by this "new" rule," or "Why shouldn't EVERYONE face the SAME red-light jeopardy, every time they come to the line?" And "Why should ANYONE enjoy the kind of immunity from red-light jeopardy that this First Red Light rule affords them?"

You won't answer any of them, just like Fernandez and his namesake won't answer them, because you CAN'T without admiting that you're wrong. The soulution to this lopsided rule is to change the wording from "FIRST" (which a slower car has no control over) to WORSE, something that EVERYONE can contrrol... just like in breakouts. That's IT.

You see a debate, I see black & white one sentence answer. Same as NHRA official told me. The first to red light is OUT OF THE GAME. I've made it fairly clear on more than one response and I'll try it again with you. VERY LITTLE IN LIFE IS FAIR; DRAG RACING INCLUDED. The first to leave has the clean tree. The second to leave has the anxiety of watching a tree after the other guy has left. The movement of the first guy is a distraction of sorts with the second guy. Some deal with this better than others but no doubt it is still a distraction. That's NOT fair either. Too bad I say.
Just like many, I read the rule book and understand the rule book BEFORE I BUILT MY RACE CAR (I've had more than one). I have raced S/ST and believed an advantage existed by having a superior MPH than 75% or more of my competitors. I have had both Stock & SS cars now that will be the second to leave against just about every car at or lower than the class and probably a few classes above the class. You have your choice to build a car that is slower or faster than the field. I choose faster. And you will undoubtedly say this is selfish and not for the advancement of the sport and I would tell you to READ THE RULES BEFORE YOU ELECT TO PLAY OR STAY OUT This is not a game of chivalry where your lack of planning should affect me and I somehow need to bend to your needs. As I said, FIRST TO RED LIGHT IS OUT OF THE GAME.
Just like Russian Roulette.

Nothing else.

Ask the genius at NHRA "WHO would be damaged with such a change?"

Those that followed the rules and built a car based on the rules. Some do build cars based on perceived advantages. Real or not, they are perceived to be advantageous and the owner builds a car accordingly.


He won't answer, either.... because the answer is NOBODY.

In your mind

The FINAL question is, why should this rule NOT be changed?

A multitude of rhetoric from board members has filled this topic for weeks, but no answer to THAT question, from anyone.

Just efforts to discredit people who post for an increase in fairness of the rules.....

I really don't understand that. We all love drag racing. WHY shouldn't we ALL want it to be as fair as it can be?

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich (Post 257276)

Bill,
How do you plan to compensate for the fact that the car that leaves last doesn't get a clean tree, and sees their opponent leave? Two things the slower car doesn't deal with.

Originally Posted by Ed Wright (Post 257278)

Alan, the guys with slow cars never have to deal with that, so they say you just need to focus better. Due to my blinders, I don't know if the slower car went red until the front end comes down so I can see if the win light is on. I still see the other car go past the tree which bothers me. I prefer leaving first. As I have said, I don't care if they change it or not, I see it as a trade off.