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Liteweight 02-23-2012 10:34 AM

Re: Original hemi dart information
 
[QUOTE=Hemi Moose;310770]Bob Banning Dodge L023 '68 Hemi Dart...notice the chrome trim on C-pillar....this is the second '68 Hemi Dart I've seen this on.

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/...NNING-Dart.jpg
[QUOTE]

Looks like this Dart will be taken off my list of possibilities also, cause the front fenders have the side markers. My front fenders are the same ones that my car came with when it left Hurst ( as far as I know at this point), & I've looked for holes that have been previously repaired from markers. There are none.

liteweight

Liteweight 02-23-2012 10:40 AM

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http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/.../SoxMartin.jpg

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tommy d 02-23-2012 02:24 PM

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Has the Harold Stout/Danny Crawley car been accounted for?

ww63 02-23-2012 03:24 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tommy d (Post 311119)
Has the Harold Stout/Danny Crawley car been accounted for?

Stout/Crawley Cuda is in Florida

Hemi Moose 02-25-2012 12:15 PM

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http://www.cars-on-line.com/57600/68ply57684-1.jpg

http://www.cars-on-line.com/57600/68ply57684-2.jpg

http://www.cars-on-line.com/57600/68ply57684-3.jpg

http://www.cars-on-line.com/57600/68ply57684-4.jpg

http://www.cars-on-line.com/57684.html

Black Hemi Dart 02-26-2012 11:21 PM

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The Landy look a like Dart was built by Greg in New River AZ. His company name is SS / AFX. Does a real good job at these.

Liteweight 02-27-2012 10:47 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Black Hemi Dart (Post 311675)
The Landy look a like Dart was built by Greg in New River AZ. His company name is SS / AFX. Does a real good job at these.

Yes he does.
I met Greg at the All Hemi Reunion in Salem, OH back in 08. Great guy with great talent.

liteweight



http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...eyShahanns.jpg

FED 387 02-27-2012 12:21 PM

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Screen ##1481 --I believe that the Coronet in the pic was the car that Jim Wick wrecked at Gainesville??? in about 1969-70 that left him so badly injured/crippled that he spent the rest of his life in a wheelchair---he passed away a few years ago(2-3) from cancer---his son lives/lived in the Fon du Lac Wis. area they still have the Cuda----used to se him run at Da Grove(Union Grove) all the time do not remember ever seeing the Dart---the Cuda and the Coronet yes but never the Dart ---His son Jeff still runs the business Jim's Car Shop in Fon du Lac--maybe contact him could give ya some info on all 3 cars

Bob Nedset 02-27-2012 11:26 PM

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FED 387

The 65 Coronet that you are talking about is alive and well, it has never been crashed. Jim sold the car I believe in the later 70's to Frank Bogess from West Virginia who raced it for a couple of years. Frank then sold the car to two brothers also from West Virginia. I purchased the car in 1985 and raced it for several years back in the mid 90's as a BA car. Due to lack of time and not being able to keep up with the current crop of B Automatics, the car is currently in the garage sitting on jack stands.

The Dart is located in Illinois as previously stated. I have talked to the owner a number of times over the years. I would usually run into him at Indy.

I believe Jim crashed his Prostock Duster at Columbus in 1973 that resulted in his injuries.

Bob

SS/BA 305

FED 387 02-28-2012 12:19 AM

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Yep I remember now he was racing Joe Satmary that day in Columbus 73 -- pro stock 4 speed duster---somehow I always think it was G'ville but then remembering back it was columbus--still never do remember seing the Dart---who owns it now???

Hemi Moose 02-28-2012 10:00 PM

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Does anyone know this L023 '68 Hemi Dart from the Great Lakes area...any connection to Jim Wicks crew.

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e4...cagoDart-2.jpg

68hemiss 02-29-2012 01:43 AM

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As for Darts that were converted to 70 models - I can think of at least 7 off the top of my head - 3 have been converted back. Larry Griffith's Dart is a real car - it was converted to a 70 and they still had the parts so they converted it back. Most of the other cars are unaccounted for. Yow's Dart was a real car that was converted as well.

From what I know Jim Wick's Barracuda (now owned by Danny Smith), 65 car and the Dart are all alive and well - possibly even the Duster. I thought I heard that his 66-7 car was crashed by a later owner. Jim's Barracuda is shown below next to the Jenkins Dart in the photo that liteweight posted below.

Liteweight 02-29-2012 10:38 AM

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http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...O/IMG_0002.jpg

Jim Wick's/ Danny Smith BO29

liteweight

Frank Castros 03-04-2012 02:16 PM

Re: Original hemi dart information
 
Hey Paulie,
Where ya been?

mopar68 03-09-2012 07:26 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by awr68cuda (Post 310904)
The WidowMaker was a partnership with Jim Wick and Jim Jezwinski of Fond Du Lac and Oshkosh, Wisconsin respectively. In that picture the MatchMaker Coronet of Jim Wick is driven by Tim Mayhew and Jim Jezwinski was in the Dart. Last we heard the Dart is in Illinois and was not for sale. We inquired about it years ago.

Here's another photo...

http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/6199/widowmakerv.jpg

M68

Paul Ceasrine 03-10-2012 12:36 PM

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* The #1 BO29,,,,,,,,,

* BO29M8B299110

* This Hemi Barracuda had 'Lil Boss' lettered on the front fender.
* 'Barracuda' lettered on the grille center.
* White hood with a blue center stripe.
* Blue roof
* Car NHRA #784

Was on the front cover of Super Stock & Drag Illustrated (June 1968)

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2.../SoxMartin.jpg

Hemi Moose 03-10-2012 04:15 PM

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A few more old shots of the Sox & Martin '68 Hemi Barracuda running in SS/B & A/MP...

http://images32.fotki.com/v1062/phot...68Cuda8-vi.jpg

http://www.colesy-juniorstockforum.c...le.php?id=9240

http://i313.photobucket.com/albums/l...a/90867fb2.jpg

Hemi Moose 03-10-2012 05:55 PM

Re: Original hemi dart information
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Ceasrine (Post 314511)
* The #1 BO29,,,,,,,,,

* This Hemi Barracuda had 'Lil Boss' lettered on the front fender.
* 'Barracuda' lettered on the grille center.
* White hood with a blue center stripe.
* Blue roof
* Car NHRA #784

Was on the front cover of Super Stock & Drag Illustrated (June 1968)

SS&DI June 68 magazine cover...

http://images16.fotki.com/v382/photo...tinCuda-vi.jpg

Paul Ceasrine 03-11-2012 11:26 AM

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#BO29M8B299110

Note: Sox & Martin changed the paint pattern on the hood at the end of 1968.

1968
* SS/B Class Winner (NHRA Springnationals)
* SS/B Class Winner (Super Stock Magazine Nationals)
* SS/B Class Runner-Up (NHRA Indy Nationals)

http://image.moparmusclemagazine.com...cuda+front.jpg

Hemi Moose 03-11-2012 01:00 PM

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http://images32.fotki.com/v1046/phot...mptruck-vi.jpg

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/...1969Pomona.jpg

http://inlinethumb62.webshots.com/46...600x600Q85.jpg

Hemi Moose 03-11-2012 01:30 PM

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The Sox & Martin '68 Hemi Barracuda was later sold to Sam Pannuty and renamed the
'Poor Boy'...

http://www.colesy-juniorstockforum.c...le.php?id=8961

http://inlinethumb61.webshots.com/47...600x600Q85.jpg

Paul Ceasrine 03-12-2012 11:15 AM

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Speedwin Automotive
Mineola, Long Island, New York

#LO23M8B323848 (Automatic)

March 21, 1968 Build Date (2nd Production Run)

Purchased; April 18, 1968

The #5 car off the 2nd Production Run.
The #61 LO23 car overall.

Car delivered to;
Ebbets Field Dodge
1640 Bedford Avenue
Brooklyn, New York

Purchased by;
Joe Jill (Owner of Speedwin Automotive)

Purchase Price;
$5146


http://inlinethumb34.webshots.com/46...600x600Q85.jpg

Liteweight 03-12-2012 11:57 AM

Re: Original hemi dart information
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Ceasrine (Post 314511)
* The #1 BO29,,,,,,,,,

* BO29M8B299110

* This Hemi Barracuda had 'Lil Boss' lettered on the front fender.
* 'Barracuda' lettered on the grille center.
* White hood with a blue center stripe.
* Blue roof
* Car NHRA #784

Was on the front cover of Super Stock & Drag Illustrated (June 1968)

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2.../SoxMartin.jpg


Was it not this car that was dipped (acid).???? That is what I've been lead to believe over the years. That car later rotted to oblivion because it wasn't naurtralized properly. Can someone here confirm or deny that info????

liteweight

Hemi Moose 03-12-2012 03:20 PM

Re: Original hemi dart information
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jackarnew (Post 284373)
I was at Cecile County Maryland when Sox & Martin showed up to run a 2 out of 3 match race with who I can't remember. The car was driven by Don Carlton, and I think it was acid dipped, it was the first Cuda that they had installed a full rollcage into. Talked to Buddy about bent quarter panels just in front of rear wheels up the rear window that had been repaired and in primer. I believe the car needed the cage to support the dipped body, due to the fact that they did not have any ladder bars or 4 link at the time. The rear springs would torque up in front and pull down at rear hanger, thus bend in rear panels. That vehicle had only rear springs no bars. Do you think that car could have been Don Carlton's car or just a dipped body to start with. I think it was a car built just to match race. But I'm sure they found out after a few passes that it needed some support body wise. Very soon after that better rear suspension " ladder bars " started showing up on the Chrysler race cars, because they could hook into the cage for support.
JACK.

This is the only comment I've heard regarding Sox & Martin using an acid dipped '68 Hemi Cuda body, which according to Jack Arnew was their A/MP car that Don Carlton drove...as far as their first car or any others, maybe someone else can answer that question...does VIN # 299110 still exist.

Liteweight 03-12-2012 03:55 PM

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http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...MartinBO29.jpg
Not much to see on this car xept the left over red on the quarter & blue tinted windows. This car IS the Don Carlton /Sox & Martin car taken about 12 years ago. It had repaired damage done on the front clip from a towing accident. Rumour has it the car fell off the trailer. This is not the first car.

liteweight

Paul Ceasrine 03-12-2012 04:30 PM

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BO29M8B390673

Automatic

Build Date; May 19, 1968

The #15 car off the 2nd production run.

Park Chrysler-Plymouth
Chicago, Illinois

Jim Halloran

http://www.worldwide-auctioneers.com/photos/42/51/1.jpg

Hemi Moose 03-12-2012 04:45 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Liteweight (Post 314904)
http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...MartinBO29.jpg
Not much to see on this car except the left over red on the quarter & blue tinted windows. This car IS the Don Carlton /Sox & Martin car taken about 12 years ago. It had repaired damage done on the front clip from a towing accident. Rumor has it the car fell off the trailer. This is not the first car.
liteweight.

I see orange paint under the red paint on the quarter panel...so the question is "who's car was this originally" since Sox & Martin bought up old Hemi Barracuda's and repainted them in their red white & blue color scheme and sold them to any potential customers that wanted one.

I also see traces of baby blue paint on the lower trunk edge just above where the license plate would go...Now as for who's car it was originally, I think I just answered my own question...it is Don Carlton's 'Lil Thumper' baby blue B029 '68 Hemi Barracuda.

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Liteweight 03-12-2012 10:49 PM

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2 Attachment(s)
Another BO29 Sox & Martin car

liteweight

I'll see if I can get these pix larger tommorrow

Paul Ceasrine 03-12-2012 11:01 PM

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Don Grotheer,,,,,

Set the SS/B National Record at Louisiana Pel State Dragstrip in June 1968.

10.91 @ 131.19 MPH

The BO29 Hemi Barracuda's and LO23 Hemi Darts were declared legal for Super Stock by the NHRA on
June 1, 1968 (1 week before the 1968 NHRA Springnationals).

The NHRA had to confirm that at least 50 of each car was properly documented and owned by a drag racer or
dealership, and that the car was in their possession.

http://images32.fotki.com/v1048/phot...bleCar1-vi.jpg

Hemi Moose 03-12-2012 11:02 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Liteweight (Post 315007)
Another BO29 Sox & Martin car

liteweight

I'll see if I can get these pix larger tommorrow

http://classracer.com/classforum/att...8&d=1331606883

http://classracer.com/classforum/att...7&d=1331606883

..so who's B029 was this originally.

RO51_Hemi 03-13-2012 07:07 AM

Re: Original hemi dart information
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hemi Moose (Post 314922)
I see orange paint under the red paint on the quarter panel...so the question is "who's car was this originally" since Sox & Martin bought up old Hemi Barracuda's and repainted them in their red white & blue color scheme and sold them to any potential customers that wanted one.

I also see traces of baby blue paint on the lower trunk edge just above where the license plate would go...Now as for who's car it was originally, I think I just answered my own question...it is Don Carlton's 'Lil Thumper' baby blue B029 '68 Hemi Barracuda.

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yes this is Don Carltons Lil Thumper Barracuda now owned by a friend of mine in Maryland. he has been looking for pictures of this Barracuda in Sox and Martin colors and more history on it but cant find any

Liteweight 03-13-2012 01:59 PM

Re: Original hemi dart information
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hemi Moose (Post 315014)

I believe it's this car

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...artin_0001.jpg

liteweight

Hemi Moose 03-13-2012 02:35 PM

Re: Original hemi dart information
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RO51_Hemi (Post 315035)
yes this is Don Carltons Lil Thumper Barracuda now owned by a friend of mine in Maryland. he has been looking for pictures of this Barracuda in Sox and Martin colors and more history on it but cant find any

I posted a few pics of this Sox & Martin '68 Hemi Barracuda in some of my previous posts...just look for the car with the A/MP class on the windows.

Hemi Moose 03-13-2012 03:00 PM

Re: Original hemi dart information
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Liteweight (Post 315093)

Liteweight, is this the same car that is part of the Sox & Martin caravan that the current owner has...'68 Hemi Cuda, '67 R0 Hemi Belvedere and S&M Team Hauler....any history on previous owners after Sox & Martin had it.

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Paul Ceasrine 03-13-2012 03:03 PM

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The #784 SS/B Barracuda is the #1 BO29,,,,,,,
which was used primarily for SS/B.
Raced in 1968 and first half of 1969.
http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/7...ox7martinb.jpg

The Sox & Martin #2 Hemi Barracuda was used for
SS/B in 1968,
SS/B, A/MP, B/G, and Match-Racing in 1969.
Pro/Stock in 1970.
http://www.dragracingimagery.com/pho...snmcudaamp.jpg

Hemi Moose 03-13-2012 04:00 PM

Re: Original hemi dart information
 
Here's another one of a Sox & Martin '68 Hemi Barracuda that they repainted and sold to their race customers...or maybe someone just painted it themselves to look like a S&M car.

http://images50.fotki.com/v1529/phot...img1018-vi.jpg

ww63 03-13-2012 06:54 PM

Re: Original hemi dart information
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hemi Moose (Post 315125)
Here's another one of a Sox & Martin '68 Hemi Barracuda that they repainted and sold to their race customers...or maybe someone just painted it themselves to look like a S&M car.

http://images50.fotki.com/v1529/phot...img1018-vi.jpg

That is the car that was raced by Ronnie during the pro stock boycott in the mid 70,s, sold to Eddie Smith, Mike Smith is standing by the car with the shirt that says West Virginia Hemi. Smith sold it to Harold Stout and driven by Danny Crawley. Car is curently in Florida

Liteweight 03-13-2012 09:54 PM

Re: Original hemi dart information
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hemi Moose (Post 315111)
Liteweight, is this the same car that is part of the Sox & Martin caravan that the current owner has...'68 Hemi Cuda, '67 R0 Hemi Belvedere and S&M Team Hauler....any history on previous owners after Sox & Martin had it.

.

Yes, he has owned quite a few of the S&M cars including one of the P/S Dusters, & Hemi Colts. Sorry don't know much on the background of this car

liteweight

Paul Ceasrine 03-14-2012 12:26 PM

Re: Original hemi dart information
 
The #1 BO29 (Photo from late-March 1968)

http://images16.fotki.com/v382/photo...tinCuda-vi.jpg


The #1 BO29 (June 1968 Photo) (Blue hood w/White stripe)

http://image.moparmusclemagazine.com...front_side.jpg

Hemi Moose 03-14-2012 12:38 PM

Re: Original hemi dart information
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ww63 (Post 315157)
That is the car that was raced by Ronnie during the pro stock boycott in the mid 70,s, sold to Eddie Smith, Mike Smith is standing by the car with the shirt that says West Virginia Hemi. Smith sold it to Harold Stout and driven by Danny Crawley. Car is curently in Florida

So it probably got repainted by them then...either the white car or black one.

http://inlinethumb48.webshots.com/49...600x600Q85.jpg


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