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novassdude 11-01-2009 07:02 PM
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I think if they were doing it with actual showroom available models it would be great for the class. Is any one out there building a showroom mustang?

davidhuff 11-01-2009 10:20 PM
Re: How about those ford cj's at vegas
 
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Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich (Post 149147)
Sorry David, I don't think that argument has any real merit. If you take the time to look, for example, you can find an A, B, F, or X body Chevy, say from 66-70, for $10K. For the rest, if you have to pay for everything if you shop, you should be able to get it done for under $50K more. For a total of $60 to $65K, again, if you just carry it to a shop and say "make this a Stock Eliminator car", then go buy an engine and transmission.

A new Cobra Jet is, or was $75K. And that does not include a real racing transmission, or the pieces that go with it.

Of course, I suppose the new cars might drive down the price of an older used AA, A, or B car if the owner got fed up with the whole thing. And I really don't think that is good for the class, either.
No thanks,I have already been down that road years ago with Woodro Josey.No more rust buckets for me.LOL

GUMP 11-02-2009 09:32 AM
Re: How about those ford cj's at vegas
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich (Post 149147)
Sorry David, I don't think that argument has any real merit. If you take the time to look, for example, you can find an A, B, F, or X body Chevy, say from 66-70, for $10K. For the rest, if you have to pay for everything if you shop, you should be able to get it done for under $50K more. For a total of $60 to $65K, again, if you just carry it to a shop and say "make this a Stock Eliminator car", then go buy an engine and transmission.
Not everyone wants to race an antique.

Ed Wright 11-02-2009 10:12 AM
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It would be so simple if they would just put one on a chassis dyno. Getting one that had not been de-tuned for more favorable lower numbers might be a problem. Even if they used that rwhp number instead of flywheel hp it would be closer to correct.

Harry 6674 11-02-2009 10:30 AM
Re: How about those ford cj's at vegas
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ed Wright (Post 149262)
It would be so simple if they would just put one on a chassis dyno. Getting one that had not been de-tuned for more favorable lower numbers might be a problem. Even if they used that rwhp number instead of flywheel hp it would be closer to correct.
It works for NASCAR.

X-TECH MAN 11-02-2009 10:53 AM
Re: How about those ford cj's at vegas
 
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Originally Posted by GUMP (Post 149255)
Not everyone wants to race an antique.
Not everyone likes this late model junk either.

Alan Roehrich 11-02-2009 06:42 PM
Re: How about those ford cj's at vegas
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GUMP (Post 149255)
Not everyone wants to race an antique.
That was not the issue. The issue was cost to buy or build.

Jack Matyas 11-02-2009 07:27 PM
Re: How about those ford cj's at vegas
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich (Post 149147)
Sorry David, I don't think that argument has any real merit. If you take the time to look, for example, you can find an A, B, F, or X body Chevy, say from 66-70, for $10K. For the rest, if you have to pay for everything if you shop, you should be able to get it done for under $50K more. For a total of $60 to $65K, again, if you just carry it to a shop and say "make this a Stock Eliminator car", then go buy an engine and transmission.

A new Cobra Jet is, or was $75K. And that does not include a real racing transmission, or the pieces that go with it.

Of course, I suppose the new cars might drive down the price of an older used AA, A, or B car if the owner got fed up with the whole thing. And I really don't think that is good for the class, either.
Alan -- I'm not so sure I agree with you -- first of all you can't get very much '69 Camaro for ten grand and by the time you buy everything else you're in it big .Secondly, I'd be willing to bet that its possible to build a" CJ clone" for the same or less money than it costs to build a late model LS1 car .These cars are really a bargain if you start to figure all the other costs involved .As for driving the price of the older cars down - why ? Other than a few class races how have they been hurt ? They are still good cars in the eliminator - ( I haven't seen many for sale have you ?) - and as we're starting to see that the CJ's will make mistakes and get themselves some new horsepower compliments of the NHRA on Monday's .

There will always be the old and the new - and not everyone will be happy ................I've seen all of this before when I raced "Jr.Stockers" and again when I raced "Pure Stockers" and again with regular "Stockers" and still again when the "Fuel Injected Stockers" came out -- things have a way of sorting out in our sport -- they always have in the past ...............

PS-- As far as the CJ's being good for our sport -- when's the last time any other cars have had this much ink or attention -- ever ! ! ! I'm certainly not sticking up for them or taking sides -- like they used to say on "Dragnet" --- "Just the facts" ..............

GUMP 11-02-2009 07:31 PM
Re: How about those ford cj's at vegas
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN (Post 149274)
Not everyone likes this late model junk either.
In 1969 the COPO's were late model junk too!

Craig Couris 11-02-2009 08:03 PM
Re: How about those ford cj's at vegas
 
I also thought I could build my AA/SA Corvette for around $50k. I stopped keeping track of the money once I hit $85K. When I had an opportunity to buy Cobra Jet #49 for $71,500.00, I actually thought it was a pretty decent buy. Yes- it does need another $8,500.00 to make it race ready (with an automatic) but someone could build the 2010 kit car that is currently offered by Ford for considerably less.

Just my observation.


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