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Andys dad 12-09-2010 12:55 PM
Re: New AHFS 2011
 
Not too long ago we were talking about the first stocker in the 9s now the question is -

Will it be a blown CJ or V10 Challenger to be the first stocker in the 8s?

The snake wars will be interesting a Viper against a Cobra.

Sorry I could not help my self Jeff.

I think they will be in A/FX next year @ 7.0 lbs.

9.17 and 142 at Milan just kidding/guessing/hoping

I am bored at work today


:-) peace

RJ Sledge 12-09-2010 12:59 PM
Re: New AHFS 2011
 
Alan

I appreciate your and everyone else's passion and involvement with Class racing. I myself hate to see it come to an end as I have known it for 50 years. There have been changes both good and bad and in most cases I believe it made the sport better and stronger.

However, with the latest issue at hand, I believe that its just about over for the older car combos, especially the AA-H Classes. With the new Factory involvement (which I think is a positive move) it has become foolish to think that an older combo has any chance in a heads up/class run. Maybe this is what NHRA wants, all things do change, so maybe this is it.

I just find it hard to believe that with the way NHRA rules and the Factory cars dominate, that it will be possible to ever get a fair shake in the future.

I know that there are people who are writing, emailing and calling NHRA with the concerns of most Class racers, but it is a very small percentage. I appreciate you effort. Most of us just sit and do nothing, thinking its a waste of time and "Oh, somebody else is already contacting them". So in the end we get what we deserve.

I hope thats it not too late for NHRA to make the playing field level or at least not so one sided. I am 66 and I still enjoy most of everything associated with Class Racing. Merry Christmas to everybody

RJ

Ed Wright 12-09-2010 01:49 PM
Re: New AHFS 2011
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeFicacci (Post 226889)
Are you trying to compare the 450 rated 12.5:1 Viper engine to the horsepower rating of a 427/425? The most recent Viper was rated at 600 horsepower and thats with 10.2:1 compression, a smaller cam, and a smaller intake. Not three days ago someone made the comment of how bad the 6.4 Hemi was because it was 2 points down from the 6.1. Using your factor.....1.3 x 600 = 780. 1.6 x 600 = 960 and thats with the factory specs. 800-900 horsepower is not out of the question with these motors with a good engine builder and tuner. People have gotten close with the factory specs.

I'm all on board with the Challengers because at this point its clear they are not going anywhere but its just funny how some people are actually trying to justify these horsepower ratings. A Challenger with a Viper motor on steriods? Awesome!! It's definitely going to be cool to see these cars going down the track in Stock as short lived as it may be. Just personally don't see the fun of running a combo grossly under-factored. No one is looking at these guys, (besides each other), and saying "wow, thats awesome, you guys did a good job."

No matter what side of the fence you stand on, you have to look at these numbers and just shake your head and laugh. At the end of the day, that's all anyone on the starting line is doing when they go down the track.
Mike, one of the best posts I've read in a while.

Bob Pagano 12-09-2010 02:58 PM
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Yup Mike is right on, DAD got pissed at my last post but you better hope there is an A/FX class cause you wont be able to keep that puppy in Stock for long, SS it will be and FAST.

Chad Rhodes 12-09-2010 03:17 PM
Re: New AHFS 2011
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton (Post 226891)
Chad, didn't you get 10 or 20 taken off your combo? What a system. If I had gotten 20 off my old car, I would still have it. I think you and the Sammy got the benefit of that.
Jeff, our car is a 435, not the 400. It was a 400 till 2008. I have written several letters to get HP off the 435 to no avail. The low rise 3x2 intake is nowhere near as good as the 372 intake on the 425, and the extra CFM don't make up for it.

I also wish we would have kept the 400 stuff, its a better combo for sure now. Look at Dave Casey ( not sure if he is the 400 but I'm pretty sure it is).

Jeff Teuton 12-09-2010 03:38 PM
Re: New AHFS 2011
 
RJ and all my other buddies, there might be help on the way. Keep the faith, and keep the beverages chilled till we see what happens. Trust me.

Greg Hill 12-09-2010 06:09 PM
Re: New AHFS 2011
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton (Post 226913)
RJ and all my other buddies, there might be help on the way. Keep the faith, and keep the beverages chilled till we see what happens. Trust me.
Jeff if something happens I will see you down south in March. If not I will be staying close to home.

art leong 12-09-2010 06:37 PM
Re: New AHFS 2011
 
I was just told by nhra that the competion commitee was responsible for the new afhs.
Was this the best our guys could come up with?
It will save us all a lot of money. just get a car to run 6 tenths under and they will take care of it for you. The fast guys (if they choose to) will be moved two or three classes at a time.
The slow cars will be defactored.
There is no longer any reason for R&D or buying parts.
I was having trouble with my transbrake. Spent weeks and about $1000 trying to duplicate it, i have a set of Individual Throttle Bodies good for 10 horsepower over the stock type box manifold I run now. I have a set of solid lifters (I've been running hydraulics)I was thinking about spending a grand or so on a step/merge collector header.
I walked through the PRI show today and thought to myself "What Am I Doing Here".
I ran 6 tenths under in so-so air leaving at an idle (brake not working). So I'm just going to put the govenor and a stock valve body, back in the trans and just put it in D for DragRace
I'm going to save a ton of bucks but I don't know if I'll enjoy it. I've always driven up the return road thinking of what to do to make the car faster.
Thanks Guys

Tony Janes 12-09-2010 07:32 PM
Re: New AHFS 2011
 
You will like it if you win the eliminator.

art leong 12-09-2010 07:47 PM
Re: New AHFS 2011
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony Janes (Post 226943)
You will like it if you win the eliminator.
Tony I'm a realist. We did way more than our share of winning years ago. I'm not intimidated by Fletcher, Biondo or anyone.
BUT I race about 6 to 10 times a year A lot of people race more than that in a month.
Years ago we raced wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Saturday night, and Sunday. Everywhere you went they had a stock/superstock race.
That is no longer possible. Where I live now the closest track (1/8 mile outlaw) 75 miles from home, Only opens every other week.
Without seat time you need to be lucky, real lucky. While I know it's possible. And I never expect to lose. If I do I don't get upset (unless i made a stupid mistake more than once).


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