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Bruce Noland 04-15-2012 06:12 PM
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Anthony,
It does seem like it took awhile for you to get your program together, but others have not had as much difficulty. Don't forget we are in the same division. Also, it is not the job of the ahfs to correct intentional misrepresentations by the oem's and nhra staff.

Jeff,
It's not the parts and changes that have been allowed over 50 years that is ruining the Stock and Super Stock categories, and you know it. It's the hugely bogus factors that will continue to be a problem. You should stop pretending that this is business as usual. This is a wholesale give away to the oem's. And that includes the new Camaros. You guys all belong in separate classes. Don't think we are going to lay down on this problem. I have heard from one person who is working on a social media campaign (twitter) to make the nhra fans aware of what is going on between nhra and the oem's. I wish him well.

D.Johns 04-15-2012 06:12 PM
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08 cobra jet 491hp

08 Shelby 500hp

All the fuss for a number 3 qualifier that was only 1.046 under index. Only 2 cars even registered for AA/stock.

Bruce Noland 04-15-2012 07:41 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stkdiv5 (Post 321632)
]Anthony,

I applaud your success in life. We fully understand the amount of work it takes to make a car fast and enjoyable.

Let's take a quick look at one of your team cars that you shipped south this winter. It picked up 22 horsepower in just two races and it still has a ton left. I am pleased to see that you allow your drivers to run these cars as they please. But you can plug in a new engine combination at any time and continue to run over top of the traditional Stockers for years to come. Yes, we know and enjoy hard work, however, these new cars are not breaking anybody's back to go fast.

Bruce -- how do you know there is a ton left?
Because I know the dyno numbers on this motor! Happy now???

Jack Matyas 04-15-2012 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Bruce Noland (Post 321654)
Because I know the dyno numbers on this motor! Happy now???
Hey Bruce - its me -- Scooby Do -- and I'm not happy .......Care to share those dyno numbers with the rest of the World ? And maybe the dyno sheets and where they came from -- and whose they were ..........inquiring minds want to know .

BTW - Sorry I'm going to miss your friends campaign as I don't tweet .But I whistle pretty good .........

Bruce Noland 04-15-2012 08:19 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Matyas (Post 321658)
Hey Bruce - its me -- Scooby Do -- and I'm not happy .......Care to share those dyno numbers with the rest of the World ? And maybe the dyno sheets and where they came from -- and whose they were ..........inquiring minds want to know .

BTW - Sorry I'm going to miss your friends campaign as I don't tweet .But I whistle pretty good .........
Jack,
No sheets or specifics for you. Of course, you know better than to ask. Try privately contacting some of the folks on this thread if you really want to know more. They may share the information with you. Other than that you are out of luck.

Todd Hoven 04-15-2012 08:30 PM
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X2 Or the Hudson Hornet guys.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Ley (Post 321524)
I sometimes wonder what the Flathead guys said when the Smallblock Chevy was introduced !

Jack Matyas 04-15-2012 08:31 PM
Re: Ford First "Stocker" Into The Eights
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruce Noland (Post 321663)
Jack,
No sheets or specifics for you. Of course, you know better than to ask. Try privately contacting some of the folks on this thread if you really want to know more. They may share the information with you. Other than that you are out of luck.
Gee Bruce I had to ask - what I really wanted was for you to tell us - there are folks on this forum who might believe you .If I wanted information I'd just phone-up Anthony B and I'm sure he'd answer as I've found him to be an honorable and truthful person .

Bruce Noland 04-15-2012 08:42 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Matyas (Post 321666)
Gee Bruce I had to ask - what I really wanted was for you to tell us - there are folks on this forum who might believe you .If I wanted information I'd just phone-up Anthony B and I'm sure he'd answer as I've found him to be an honorable and truthful person .
Jack,

His name is Anthony Bongiovanni. Give him a call.

I don't have to convince an nhra shill of anything and it is up to everyone else as to whether they believe me or not. It won't come at your direction.

Ed Wright 04-15-2012 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Greg Hill (Post 321535)
I like the new cars. If I were going to buy one to drive on the street it would be a new Boss 302 Mustang. The problem with these new cars is the hp factor. They should have been put in their own classes ( fx) and run either in stock or super stock or both during eliminations. No one has a problem with them running in the eliminator, people just don't want to have to run them heads up or in class with these bogus factors. Ahfs will never fix the problem as long as new combinations with soft factors are introduced on a yearly basis.
You are exactly right. You have to wonder how looking at the specs these were allowed their HP ratings when approved. On what planet would the 5.9L DP be the same 275 HP as the 275 hp GM LT1? Really? If we still had Farmer this would not be such a mess. I was told the NHRA tech people do know that many DPs are running with two barrels on the throttle body disconnected, and they don't care. Bill Farmer Dismuke would have cared.

Jack Matyas 04-15-2012 09:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruce Noland (Post 321668)
Jack,



I don't have to convince an nhra shill of anything and it is up to everyone else as to whether they believe me or not. It won't come at your direction.
I'm not exactly sure what an NHRA shill is ........I've been called alot of things - at least I knew what they were .According to Websters its something undercover and yet here I am out in the open .


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