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Folks, anyone think using a ford, a chrysler and a chevy can be fair? It would appeal to a couple more people but..... Too open rules means too many complaints, too much controversy. Look at the New SS and Stk cars. Apples racing oranges and onions.
The more I look at the issues, the more I believe a One motor, One carb, One trans ,in any SS or Stk chassis would be easiest. Of course chassis could be an issue also with the "jelly bean" cars available out there but the COST of the car would exceed the motor and should help limit their use for the people you want to attract. Chevy II , camaro, Duster, Mustang, all same wt/Cubic inch . Simple to buy for and tuning and driving becomes Very important.
Thoughts?
( a365 inch of any motor could work... but then Heads, Block, Pistons becomes issue)

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There is no such thing as cheap heads-up. The class may be designed to be cheap entry level but guess what we are all competitive personality people. Guys will be willing to spend the money to find anything that gives them an edge. And if the other competitors aren't willing to spend the money/time/development then they will fall behind and eventually won't want to come. Creating a new class(or in this case possibly reviving an old one) who ever gets in on the ground floor of the class or particular combination has an advantage and also gets sucked into spending the money little by little over the year(death by 1,000cuts) instead of the huge cost to build one from scratch with all the tricks of the trade.

Speed cost money, How fast do you want to go? Faster then the other person in the other lane? You better have talent(driving,building,thinking) and/or money.

Everyone wants cheap, a lot of people want heads-up. These two items do not mix and emulsify.

Cheap, fast or safe. Pick 2

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I still think the brodix spec head for mopar, chevy, and ford is the way to go. It works at Knoxville Ia. And if a head is suspect, send it back to brodix for final say. The racers could tech the class. I don't mind the ladder bar thing, but the 9in. deal would be tough because most cars are tubbed and narrowed where that would not be feasible. I like the 72, and older car idea. We have a cobalt, and a 67 nova, and at a race, I think the older car garners more attention. We had this very discussion on insidecompracing.com. Look at all the older backhalf cars just sitting, or bracket racing. The head would be easy to police. I say minimum weight, 3000 lb. A B and C. Must actually clutch and shift. Make the driver a huge part of the eqation. I have actually talked to Dave Rodder about this, and he said if one of the HRA's would approach them with it, they would be glad to assist. Chris Paget of comp cams thought it was a great idea.

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Motor thoughts: CHeck the Jegs site for two sealed chevy motors used in cheap round track classes
Pull up circle class on the yellow bar on the left of page....

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But anytime you have a sealed motor, one sealed motor will be better then another. If you take the racers mind out of the equation, it will not survive. I say have a bounty on the head, and any racer who wants to trade heads, puts up $500, and switches. That should cure it. Let the short block be the mind game. It would still be substantially cheaper then a comp mptor. Run off pro tree also. What say you? I do believe NHRA is looking at this to get cars back in sportsman.

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One of you rich guys want to lay out about $500K to one of the sanctioning bodies. At that time they will be more than happy to listen to your proposal for a new class. Anything less and your just wasting their time.

If you really want to make something like this work, start it at your local track and see if it will grow. You must do the ground work first, prove it will get participation, and then see if the sanctioning bodies have room for another class.

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We did exactly this at Bethany Mo. It did work. We had fifty some odd cars, and crowds ranging from 400, to 1000 each night. Why ain't it still open you ask? Because 4 to five people got their panties bunched up, because they weren't competitive, and caused so much trouble, I closed the track. It was not ever my living. I run a construction company for that. If I'd been sanctioned by NHRA, or IHRA, it would have still been open. It was just a pain to hear it every week-end, and I chose not to run. What it boils down to, is the owner won too much. That would not be the problem with an NHRA, or IHRA. But we had participation. Tried to do it at Eddyville, same people threw a wrench in it, and I backed away.

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Now we are talking. Modified Production racing was the most fun you could have with your clothes on. The spectators and racers loved it. There is no sound like a small block through the lights at 10 grand or better. The old cut gear 4-speed with the dana 60. The wheels up is the show. Even today, everyone likes the wheel stands.

Let's see, I got a camaro, 35 old small block engines, untold cast iron heads, don't know the count of intakes and holley carbs, steel flywheels and muncie "rock crusher" 4-speed still got the 9" hurst competition plus shifter on it, thats it. No buttons to push, maybe lineloc, just strap in, pull the line, put it on the floor and let the clutch out.

We got to get working on this.

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It truly does work. Could be worked in to divisionals, or national opens. The trick would be to advertise it a year ahead of time, and give people time to adjust. Then, one idea, is limit to one single disc clutch, no computers, stud mounted rockers, except for mopar, no titanium driveline parts, carbon fiber limited to driveshaft only for safety reasons. I don't personally care, these are just ways to keep costs down.

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Alow a Jerico or Gforce clutch assisted 4 speed. NHRA Stock eliminator rear suspension. No hood scoops or cowl hoods