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Re: It's Time to combine

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Originally Posted by 442OLDS (Post 344826)

In 2013, it will be OK for anyone running a 3 speed automatic transmission to run a 2 speed trans and if you have a 2 speed you will be able to run a 3 speed.

With rules like this,might as well run everyone in the same class with the same horsepower rating.

What about sticks? Will I be able to run a 4 speed if NHRA says my car (67 El Camino/230) only came with a 3 speed? You could get a 3 speed with overdrive with a 6 cylinder - how is that different than a 4 speed?

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Not at this time. The rule only applies to automatics.

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Not that I communicate with every stick racer in the country but of those that I have spoken to, I've never heard one dissenting opinion on this.

I did ask Pat Cvengros @ NHRA two days ago; why or why not is the NHRA on board with this idea? He replied that it has been proposed by the S/SS representatives and a majority were not in favor of combining sticks & auto's.
Funny, nobody asked me and I haven't had a lapse in membership since 1992.

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I think the stick and auto's combined would be cool! Especially if it makes class racing more prestigious again and brings in more class paying contingency sponsors. NHRA just needs to do like others have pointed and keep it simple, same hp ratings, and run at the same weights. If they combined and had everyone run at the auto hp ratings and auto indexes it would only affect less than 14% of the racers running stk and SS. Other than 14% more cars in the classes it wouldn’t affect the auto guys, and what do they care if a few stick cars are in their class everyone knows you can't win in a stick car.
As for the auto being better or worse than a stick for a certain combination, deal with it. Yes right now the stick cars have the auto cars covered in SS/AH but when Westcott was running with the automatic the auto cars were faster. If you think the stick is faster man up and put in a stick, if you think the auto is faster and want to turn in your man card go get an automatic.
I don’t think combining the two would do away with the sticks. Pretty much everyone with a stick car right now wouldn’t change if they were given an auto trans.

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If they combine, do you allow the stick only cars to run an auto and vice versa

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No...A '67-'69 Z-28, '69-'70 Boss 302, etc., didn't come with an auto and they shouldn't race with an auto. This shouldn't be viewed as a chance to change the cars, it's just racing a stick and an auto, may the best man (or woman) win. Kinda like when we street raced. I don't remember ever giving or taking because of a transmission!

Re: It's Time to combine

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Originally Posted by Jeff Lee (Post 344907)

While you're talking to your "buddy" Pat why don't you ask him to give everybody a 780 Holley, an aluminium intake and a .477 lift cam, combine Stock and SS, combine sticks and autos and call it all ET-2! Apparently that's what it would take to make you happy!
BTW, nobody asked me either and my membership hasn't lapsed since the 70s.

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Originally Posted by Jeff Lee (Post 344950)

This shouldn't be viewed as a chance to change the cars!

You didn't seem to let that get in your way when you got changes made to EVERY AMC 4V engine built between 1966-72!

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Originally Posted by Jeff Lee (Post 344950)

Didn't come with it shouldn't race with it? To bad you don't have the same attitude when it comes to performance enhancing part that benefits AMC racers!!

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and while I'm on a roll, either everyone should get aluminium heads or no-one should get them! Mention THAT to your "buddy" Pat!