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442OLDS 09-16-2013 06:54 AM

Re: NHRA Tether Rule Update
 
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Originally Posted by Rory McNeil (Post 400161)
I have had slip on collectors for over 25 years, and with 2 tabs and bolts per collector, I have never had any issues with them falling off. Removal when I WANT them to come off normally requires a rubber mallet, a pry bar. and plenty of WD40 and cuss words!

This pretty much says it all.

older racer 09-16-2013 12:52 PM

Re: NHRA Tether Rule Update
 
hi, I agree, with you rory. ours has 4 tabs holding collector to primaries, and 2 tabs holding collector extension on,. they don't come of easily!!

Don Kennedy 09-16-2013 02:42 PM

Re: NHRA Tether Rule Update
 
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Originally Posted by older racer (Post 400232)
hi, I agree, with you rory. ours has 4 tabs holding collector to primaries, and 2 tabs holding collector extension on,. they don't come of easily!!

I don't have a problem buying NHRA approved Tether System . if some thing happens and a lawsuit comes up I want to make sure the "approved " tether will be known as endorsed by NHRA .

This in My mind is one safe way to avoid some crazy situation where if you do your own and it falls off who is more liable you who build your own or the NHRA approved Tether builder approved by NHRA ?

buzzinhalfdozen 09-16-2013 03:06 PM

Re: NHRA Tether Rule Update
 
Again...instead of forcing everone to buy a product that a small minority THINKS solves a problem that 90% of the racers do not see as an issue. Why not instead spend the effort toward keeping people out of harms way? If you were to walk across a busy freeway without being conciuos of your surroundings and get hit...who's liable? Standing behind a car doing a burnout and expecting NOT to be hit by something, be it a rock, nut, bolt or collector is irresponsible.Didn't an entire funny car body get launched into the crowd at the Charlotte race? Anyone hurt? What's NHRA going to do with that? Face it racing is dangerous even as a spectator, nascar, NHRA, local tracks people have and will continue to get hurt both as particpants and those merely watching. Knee jerk reactions have never solved anything,only a way of saying they've addressed the "issue". Now that said if this winter the rule still stands I'll be looking for options to abide by the ruling.

SSDiv6 09-16-2013 03:22 PM

Re: NHRA Tether Rule Update
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Don Kennedy (Post 400256)
I don't have a problem buying NHRA approved Tether System . if some thing happens and a lawsuit comes up I want to make sure the "approved " tether will be known as endorsed by NHRA .

This in My mind is one safe way to avoid some crazy situation where if you do your own and it falls off who is more liable you who build your own or the NHRA approved Tether builder approved by NHRA ?

In our current environment, NHRA, the manufacturer and the racer would be sued by the injured party.

1. NHRA would be sued for lack of enforcement or approving a device that was not designed properly that did not provide 100% safety.

2. The manufacturer would be sued for workmanship, manufacturing defects and/or improper assembly instructions.

3. Since the racer/owner needs to assemble the tethering device, he would be sued for not assembling or installing the device correctly, and then the racer would blame the manufacturer and NHRA.


This is the world I live in as part of my job; it is called Product Liability and Torts.

I know of a case in which a private pilot, purchased a commercial/automotive GPS to use on his private airplane when he went hunting.
He lost his life when he crashed his airplane during bad weather and while using the GPS.
Although the manual for the GPS warned and stated that was not approved for aviation use, due to the fact the manual showed pictures of different types of vehicles such as cars, trucks, boats and an airplane, the manufacturer lost the lawsuit.
The court established through its decision that although there was language and warnings that the particular GPS was not approved or designed for airborne/aviation applications or use, just having the picture on the cover of the manual, inferred that it was for use on airplanes.

FED 387 09-16-2013 04:06 PM

Re: NHRA Tether Rule Update
 
I am all for safety !!!! However when it comes to mandates and a solution that is equivalent in all aspects that can be fabricated by a racer for a "nominal" cost versus a NHRA approved manufacturers system for "hundreds" of dollars more I think bears looking into. Their has to be a happy ground here. Look at the engine diapers mandate. If you can fabricate a diaper that meets NHRA guidelines you do not need to purchase a "store bought" diaper--- this should be the same way too--- MY OPINION!!!!! FED 387

Don Kennedy 09-16-2013 08:14 PM

Re: NHRA Tether Rule Update
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ssdiv6 (Post 400262)
in our current environment, nhra, the manufacturer and the racer would be sued by the injured party.

1. Nhra would be sued for lack of enforcement or approving a device that was not designed properly that did not provide 100% safety.

2. The manufacturer would be sued for workmanship, manufacturing defects and/or improper assembly instructions.

3. Since the racer/owner needs to assemble the tethering device, he would be sued for not assembling or installing the device correctly, and then the racer would blame the manufacturer and nhra.


This is the world i live in as part of my job; it is called product liability and torts.

I know of a case in which a private pilot, purchased a commercial/automotive gps to use on his private airplane when he went hunting.
He lost his life when he crashed his airplane during bad weather and while using the gps.
Although the manual for the gps warned and stated that was not approved for aviation use, due to the fact the manual showed pictures of different types of vehicles such as cars, trucks, boats and an airplane, the manufacturer lost the lawsuit.
The court established through its decision that although there was language and warnings that the particular gps was not approved or designed for airborne/aviation applications or use, just having the picture on the cover of the manual, inferred that it was for use on airplanes.

oic

treessavoy 09-17-2013 12:44 AM

Re: NHRA Tether Rule Update
 
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Originally Posted by Crew Chief (Post 399984)
I hear this mandate came down from NHRA's legal department after an incident where someone was hit by a collector that came off in the water box. If that's the case, they would want legitimate companies making the tethers because liability would then fall back on the manufacturer in a lawsuit.


I was at a track where someone standing behind the burnout area was hit by a pebble thrown out by the slicks doing the burn out.

So how are we going to tie down all the rocks and pebbles at the strip?

JimR

Bobby DiDomenico 09-17-2013 08:20 AM

Re: NHRA Tether Rule Update
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by treessavoy (Post 400352)
I was at a track where someone standing behind the burnout area was hit by a pebble thrown out by the slicks doing the burn out.

So how are we going to tie down all the rocks and pebbles at the strip?

JimR

Jim,
I think the tires do the best job of tracking them up:-) At Joliet they used to have the restricted area standing on both sides of the tunnel directly in front of the tower, it is now way off to the left and right side. Not sure what size pebbles, but there have been a few good size holes thru the first pane of lower level glass in line with the burnout area. I've also picked up a few screws and bolts that fell off of cars near the water box.

Does this rule apply to bolted on collectors also? And what about "grudge" night at the local tracks? I've seen cars there I have refused to run beside.

Bob Don 09-17-2013 08:42 AM

Re: NHRA Tether Rule Update
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fed 387 (Post 400275)
i am all for safety !!!! However when it comes to mandates and a solution that is equivalent in all aspects that can be fabricated by a racer for a "nominal" cost versus a nhra approved manufacturers system for "hundreds" of dollars more i think bears looking into. Their has to be a happy ground here. Look at the engine diapers mandate. If you can fabricate a diaper that meets nhra guidelines you do not need to purchase a "store bought" diaper--- this should be the same way too--- my opinion!!!!! Fed 387

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