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Eric Merryfield 01-31-2019 11:17 AM
Re: FS/XX - SS/AH In Comp ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez (Post 581290)
That's a step in the right direction.Maybe bring back some of the old Modified classes. Be nice seeing gassers, lower class M/P cars, etc. When I quit racing Stock in 2010 I had a few 4+ second handicaps F/S cars were in the mid 9's) it really got your attention when they came by you at the stripe at 60 mph.
The factory car killer, aka the Gremlin would hate to see those F/S leave stock....there is a full cage in the Gremlin now though.....Ed was living a bit dangerously.....

I think its actually the perfect idea. 10 years ago when the initial drag pak applications went out, running one in Comp was part of the idea.

If I had a new F/S car I'd want to do this, no more playing weather god to predict the dial, running people like myself in a god forsaken Gremlin that dials 13 something, just set the car up for kill, kill the tree and play the game downtrack.....whats not to like?

If you own a new FS car, you already have cubic $ into it, this gives you a additional playground to play in....With primo parking at National Events as a free bonus.

Re AH cars if adjusted it too would be a great place for them.

Eric

Lenny5160 01-31-2019 11:46 AM
Re: FS/XX - SS/AH In Comp ?
 
Stockers and Pro Mods in the same class. Should be fun!

Chuck Norton 01-31-2019 12:42 PM
Re: FS/XX - SS/AH In Comp ?
 
And, with the essentially non-existent tech/tear-down policy that's in current favor, keeping a lid on those cheating stockers won't be much a real problem. Why worry about the indexes when the only enforcement is a P&G? We'll have mid-seven second AH cars in no time. Could the FS cars run in the sixes?

Hacksaw 01-31-2019 02:50 PM
Re: FS/XX - SS/AH In Comp ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Norton (Post 581359)
And, with the essentially non-existent tech/tear-down policy that's in current favor, keeping a lid on those cheating stockers won't be much a real problem. Why worry about the indexes when the only enforcement is a P&G? We'll have mid-seven second AH cars in no time. Could the FS cars run in the sixes?
Think your in left field here. Just for starters: there are other Comp competitors other than AH and FS cars that are legal. When NHRA tech checks, they do more than P&G.

Chuck Norton 01-31-2019 04:58 PM
Re: FS/XX - SS/AH In Comp ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hacksaw (Post 581370)
Think your in left field here. Just for starters: there are other Comp competitors other than AH and FS cars that are legal. When NHRA tech checks, they do more than P&G.
My statement may have been unclear but, to restate it more specifically, the thorough teardown of a Stock Eliminator car takes at least ten times as long as is required to P&G a Super Mod or a Street Roadster. All FS cars running in Comp will need to be thoroughly inspected and qualifiers should be subjected to a full teardown. Current practice with regard to teardown is that it happens only a few times per year under the best of circumstances and that's not enough to keep everyone within the fences.

A thorough teardown requires the engine out of the car and the oil pan off. Crankshafts should be inspected, tops of pistons will need to be inspected, cylinder head chambers and runners need to be poured, casting numbers on cylinder heads and camshaft lift need to be verified, blower specifications confirmed, and throttle bores measured. All that is just the tip of the iceberg for making sure that any Stocker is legal. Even a run-of-the-mill Stock teardown involves all those things and more minus the removal of the oil pan. If there is not even at least a remote possibility that these variables will be subjected to inspection it won't be long before the FS cars will be capable of running more than a second under the proposed index and the only thing separating them from a thinly disguised Pro Mod will be the tires. If they get a big tire... I don't think that the Honor System will suffice!

X-TECH MAN 01-31-2019 06:01 PM
Re: FS/XX - SS/AH In Comp ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Norton (Post 581377)
My statement may have been unclear but, to restate it more specifically, the thorough teardown of a Stock Eliminator car takes at least ten times as long as is required to P&G a Super Mod or a Street Roadster. All FS cars running in Comp will need to be thoroughly inspected and qualifiers should be subjected to a full teardown. Current practice with regard to teardown is that it happens only a few times per year under the best of circumstances and that's not enough to keep everyone within the fences.

A thorough teardown requires the engine out of the car and the oil pan off. Crankshafts should be inspected, tops of pistons will need to be inspected, cylinder head chambers and runners need to be poured, casting numbers on cylinder heads and camshaft lift need to be verified, blower specifications confirmed, and throttle bores measured. All that is just the tip of the iceberg for making sure that any Stocker is legal. Even a run-of-the-mill Stock teardown involves all those things and more minus the removal of the oil pan. If there is not even at least a remote possibility that these variables will be subjected to inspection it won't be long before the FS cars will be capable of running more than a second under the proposed index and the only thing separating them from a thinly disguised Pro Mod will be the tires. If they get a big tire... I don't think that the Honor System will suffice!
You nailed it Chuck dead on the money !

SSGT Mustang 01-31-2019 07:48 PM
Re: FS/XX - SS/AH In Comp ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Norton (Post 581377)
My statement may have been unclear but, to restate it more specifically, the thorough teardown of a Stock Eliminator car takes at least ten times as long as is required to P&G a Super Mod or a Street Roadster. All FS cars running in Comp will need to be thoroughly inspected and qualifiers should be subjected to a full teardown. Current practice with regard to teardown is that it happens only a few times per year under the best of circumstances and that's not enough to keep everyone within the fences.

A thorough teardown requires the engine out of the car and the oil pan off. Crankshafts should be inspected, tops of pistons will need to be inspected, cylinder head chambers and runners need to be poured, casting numbers on cylinder heads and camshaft lift need to be verified, blower specifications confirmed, and throttle bores measured. All that is just the tip of the iceberg for making sure that any Stocker is legal. Even a run-of-the-mill Stock teardown involves all those things and more minus the removal of the oil pan. If there is not even at least a remote possibility that these variables will be subjected to inspection it won't be long before the FS cars will be capable of running more than a second under the proposed index and the only thing separating them from a thinly disguised Pro Mod will be the tires. If they get a big tire... I don't think that the Honor System will suffice!
The sad part of it is that it's not happening all that much in Stock either.

The sadder part is that they're probably more likely to get torndown in comp.

Tom Broome 02-07-2019 11:24 AM
Re: FS/XX - SS/AH In Comp ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Norton (Post 581377)
My statement may have been unclear but, to restate it more specifically, the thorough teardown of a Stock Eliminator car takes at least ten times as long as is required to P&G a Super Mod or a Street Roadster. All FS cars running in Comp will need to be thoroughly inspected and qualifiers should be subjected to a full teardown. Current practice with regard to teardown is that it happens only a few times per year under the best of circumstances and that's not enough to keep everyone within the fences.

A thorough teardown requires the engine out of the car and the oil pan off. Crankshafts should be inspected, tops of pistons will need to be inspected, cylinder head chambers and runners need to be poured, casting numbers on cylinder heads and camshaft lift need to be verified, blower specifications confirmed, and throttle bores measured. All that is just the tip of the iceberg for making sure that any Stocker is legal. Even a run-of-the-mill Stock teardown involves all those things and more minus the removal of the oil pan. If there is not even at least a remote possibility that these variables will be subjected to inspection it won't be long before the FS cars will be capable of running more than a second under the proposed index and the only thing separating them from a thinly disguised Pro Mod will be the tires. If they get a big tire... I don't think that the Honor System will suffice!

It's taken me a while to reconcile my opinion on the incorporation of these cars in to Comp. Specifically the rules (or lack of) for FS/XX, and the tech/teardown procedures needed for both of these classes. Both classes have been showcased in shootout formats for some time. Both classes have (in there own ways) exceeded the NHRA standardized practices for their accompanying Eliminators.

So I suppose bringing two more classes into Comp, with their current "Run What You Brung" formats should not burden the tech department too much. I could envision P&G, cam lift, throttle body, supercharger, and tires as the primary focus of tech for FS/SM. As for the Hemi cars? They are already Comp-style Super Modified Body/Chassis as it is. Need more counterweight? Just pull the dash and tunnel to get to the bellhousing access window. Except for pouring runner and chamber volumes how could you do any less than they currently do to their engines?


I can see where moving those two classes to Comp could possibly improve their respective Eliminators by slowing the rules "creep" that these classes foment.

Chuck Norton 02-07-2019 12:14 PM
Re: FS/XX - SS/AH In Comp ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Broome (Post 581859)
It's taken me a while to reconcile my opinion on the incorporation of these cars in to Comp. Specifically the rules (or lack of) for FS/XX, and the tech/teardown procedures needed for both of these classes. Both classes have been showcased in shootout formats for some time. Both classes have (in their own ways) exceeded the NHRA standardized practices for their accompanying Eliminators.
Water seeks its own level.

X-TECH MAN 02-07-2019 02:55 PM
Re: FS/XX - SS/AH In Comp ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ssgt mustang (Post 581390)
the sad part of it is that it's not happening all that much in stock either.

The sadder part is that they're probably more likely to get torndown in comp.
or not get torn down at all !


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