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nhramnl 04-19-2020 02:25 PM
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It's fun to watch this, but kinda sad, too. Apparently, the collective memory of racers is short. See, I remember back to when ported heads weren't legal, and NHRA caught guys who had them. Were they punished? Nope. NHRA just made ported heads legal. And then, there were things like gas-ported pistons (formerly illegal, now legal), un-shrouded combustion chambers (formerly illegal, now legal), aftermarket blocks, cranks, rods, pistons, wrist pins, (all formerly illegal, now legal), "replacement" cylinder heads (formerly illegal, now legal), and on and on, and on. Super Stock bears no resemblance whatsoever to the class that existed when it came into being, decades ago, but there are very few who would say we should go back to those days. The class has continuously evolved, rightly or wrongly, and there has never been any turning back. John Gulius consciously pushed the envelope, because that's precisely what his customers wanted to buy... his mind, in addition to his hands. And he delivered, consistently. A shame now, that after all of "paper-tiger" actions of the NHRA over the years (some fair, some absolutely inexplicable) that an innovator, pioneer and BIG thinker in the class has to defend his decades-long reputation.

nolongerracing 04-19-2020 04:23 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nhramnl (Post 612702)
It's fun to watch this, but kinda sad, too. Apparently, the collective memory of racers is short. See, I remember back to when ported heads weren't legal, and NHRA caught guys who had them. Were they punished? Nope. NHRA just made ported heads legal. And then, there were things like gas-ported pistons (formerly illegal, now legal), un-shrouded combustion chambers (formerly illegal, now legal), aftermarket blocks, cranks, rods, pistons, wrist pins, (all formerly illegal, now legal), "replacement" cylinder heads (formerly illegal, now legal), and on and on, and on. Super Stock bears no resemblance whatsoever to the class that existed when it came into being, decades ago, but there are very few who would say we should go back to those days. The class has continuously evolved, rightly or wrongly, and there has never been any turning back. John Gulius consciously pushed the envelope, because that's precisely what his customers wanted to buy... his mind, in addition to his hands. And he delivered, consistently. A shame now, that after all of "paper-tiger" actions of the NHRA over the years (some fair, some absolutely inexplicable) that an innovator, pioneer and BIG thinker in the class has to defend his decades-long reputation.
So... If I'm reading your post correctly, everything that Gulius has done that was "illegal" on a superstock engine now should be made "legal" because he is an innovator, pioneer, and big thinker? I call Bull****!!
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Bruce Noland 04-19-2020 05:31 PM
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It cost the Pro Stock truck guys cubic dollars to fight nhra. After a few years, it appears they recieved a generous settlement after an ugly fight. But those guys had huge investments to recoup and they had truck loads of dough and time to fight nhra. I don't know much about the issues here but the plaintiff(s) better have big bucks and probably better representation.

nhramnl 04-19-2020 06:29 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nolongerracing (Post 612714)
So... If I'm reading your post correctly, everything that Gulius has done that was "illegal" on a superstock engine now should be made "legal" because he is an innovator, pioneer, and big thinker? I call Bull****!!
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Yeah, sure. That's what I said...

Ed Wright 04-19-2020 06:51 PM
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I hope you guys can forgive a very old guy for not understanding what was ruled illegal about Mr Gulius’ heads? I have tried to read all this, but must have missed something.
Exactly what was ruled illegal about his Chevy Super Stock heads?
Thank you!
Ed

bykr 04-19-2020 07:00 PM
Re: Lawsuit over cylinder heads
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SSDiv6 (Post 612696)
You don't have to be kind to either Sean or I; we are all adults.
Like Sean stated earlier, the problem with the posting is making comments without knowing all the facts of the case.

By the way, I am very familiar with PACER and you just don't "stumble" into information or just falls on your lap. PACER is a legal search database and you must perform the search on a specific term, name or phrase.

Therefore, my speculation is the search was performed based on statements made by others, rumor, casual talk or gossip without knowing the actual facts of the case.
Wrong. I did a simple Google search using Gulius racing (try it and see), as I was curious about what kind of operation he had. No reason not to post it as it's public information that pertains to our sport.

bykr 04-19-2020 07:03 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ed Wright (Post 612724)
I hope you guys can forgive a very old guy for not understanding what was ruled illegal about Mr Gulius’ heads? I have tried to read all this, but must have missed something.
Exactly what was ruled illegal about his Chevy Super Stock heads?
Thank you!
Ed
Ed here you go:
https://classracer.com/classforum/sh...ad.php?t=74879

SSDiv6 04-19-2020 08:10 PM
Re: Lawsuit over cylinder heads
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bykr (Post 612726)
Wrong. I did a simple Google search using Gulius racing (try it and see), as I was curious about what kind of operation he had. No reason not to post it as it's public information that pertains to our sport.
Too funny!

Anyone that has been in the Super Stock class world knows who John Gulius is because he has been building engines for a long time.

Call it what it is no matter the way you paint it: Gossip and trying to find details about the lawsuit and of course, a Google search will show the latest related to his business.
By the way, the filing of the lawsuit is indeed public information; the details are not unless you pay for access.

nolongerracing 04-19-2020 08:21 PM
Re: Lawsuit over cylinder heads
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SSDiv6 (Post 612733)
Too funny!

Anyone that has been in the Super Stock class world knows who John Gulius is because he has been building engines for a long time.

Call it what it is no matter the way you paint it: Gossip and trying to find details about the lawsuit and of course, a Google search will show the latest related to his business.
By the way, the filing of the lawsuit is indeed public information; the details are not unless you pay for access.
And you knew about the lawsuit a long time ago?

Mark Yacavone 04-19-2020 08:27 PM
Re: Lawsuit over cylinder heads
 
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Originally Posted by bykr (Post 612727)
..And after you read all those pages, you'll be even more confused.

(That's all I'm going to say, because I don't race Super Stock)


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