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Originally Posted by Bill Bogues (Post 654263)

I'm a little bit confused; how can you break out on a heads up run?

Think heads up like in Super Gas... or...?

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Originally Posted by Albert Lee (Post 654260)

Clarifying "curve ball" heads up.

Car A qualifies 105 under, Car B qualifies 75 under. If heads up, both boards read 115 under and normal breakout rules apply.

Just the messenger!

AC

This is actually a rule that could help the AHFS work as intended and level the playing field for some of the soft combo’s. Don’t want to risk getting beat via breakout on a heads up run? Easy solution, qualify fast enough so the breakout is set faster than you or your opponent is capable of running.

Not saying I’m 100% in favor of it but it does have some merit. Flame away

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Originally Posted by jmcarter (Post 654253)

Think Al needs to clarify, never heard of this “curve ball”, in fact it sounds more like a screw ball or knuckle ball.

The "curve ball" they are referring to is in NMCA not NHRA. NMCA does it to keep someone from sandbagging and playing the ladder to get an easy heads up win. Personally I think AHFS is pile poo poo. Keeps entry level guys out of Stock. They may can only afford a 4 tenths under engine and hope to stay away from a headsup but when someone the same combo gets that combo hit with horsepower....now the entry level guy is even slower and has to spend more money but can't so he just goes back bracket racing which equals new racers lost. Let whoever run as fast as they want to within an exception(like super soft combos). NO reviews or HP at all unless someone goes 1.50 under.

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Originally Posted by GUMP (Post 654204)

It looks like we will never see "mineshaft" again. Obviously, this is a drastic change. I can't see where it doesn't penalize hard work.

Someone from the NHRA needs to explain how this won't have the opposite effect on the data base.

These are performance based classes, where's the incentive to go fast? Lonnie??

South Georgia will be interesting.....

Daren, I agree with you on this one. They just made us one step closer to a bracket class. The Baby Gators will be here before we know it. Who will run their car hard and take a chance of getting HP? Doubt it will qualify for a mine shaft race even though the weather can be really fast. Just not worth getting HP added to your combo for a class Wally. Why bother working on your car and testing parts just to have your combo hit with HP. Making you closer in ET to the people that don't care about performance and don't bother to work at it. Next thing is no more heads up runs. Why not just give everyone a Class Participation Trophy? Sad day for Stock Eliminator. For those of you that think this is a good idea I hope your combo is the first to get hit with HP. BP

Maybe stock and super stock needs personal indexes like comp?????

B Parker if I were you I’d stop working on your stuff, you can go 1.2+ under!
Let the rest of us catch up.

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Originally Posted by Bill Bogues (Post 654263)

I'm a little bit confused; how can you break out on a heads up run?

Al explained it above.

If you do a search on this site, you can find numerous earlier postings on how unfair "AHFS" was and many complaints from people that are not competitive in certain classes.

The way I see it, with the new "AHFS", as someone said earlier, the class has gone from a performance class to bracket racing and it will please those that want to race in the class and not work on their cars to make them competitive. We are going to be missing great performance class matches such as AAA, A, B, C and other classes such as U/SA. Due to the class becoming a bracket race and unattractive to many, I can also see many putting their cars for sale too.

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Originally Posted by SSDiv6 (Post 654303)

Well now, the way "I" see it, SS and Stock has turned from Eliminators in which the majority of Competitors were Innovators who took pride in doing their own combos and being judged by their winning against the competition, under the watchful eye of Tech, to being a bunch of hobby racers who just want to go fast and win no matter what. And Tech is rarely if ever an issue. How many modern SS/S racers build their own combos or even work on their own stuff? Why should they care if what they're racing is legal or not? Not much is being checked and "we" all know that "everybody's cheating anyway". Besides, it's the 21st century, if you get tossed in Tech, you can always sue the engine builder or NHRA.
How much Tech do you see at a bracket race?