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Terry Cain 01-05-2022 05:43 PM
Re: Explain to me again, please
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by john ancona (Post 655059)
I have to believe Terry when he says $ 2100.00 for the lifters ,I know about a year ago I paid $ 1800 .00 . You are trying to spin the conversation from a lifter that in needed because of the enhancements to some kind of advantage , you can't tell me that you and others will remove the enhancements you have already took advantage of , from what I can see on here you never complained about any of them witch I am sure you have on your car ,it seems to me that you have a self serving interest on here telling others what to do ,and you use the We as if you know what's best for you but say we to help booster your opinion ,you are only one of the over fifteen hundred stock racers in the country ,so from what I read on here when you make these statements like Leave the rules alone ,and we don't need another poll it is as if you want to tell others what to do ,just like you have in the past !
John,
are you saying I HAVE TOLD OTHERS WHAT TO DO IN THE PAST?

Barry Polley 01-05-2022 05:48 PM
Re: Explain to me again, please
 
Maybe If the AHFS was working as intended ………it wouldn’t be an issue. ?
Just the cost alone for lifters, bushings, pushrods and a cam or three is enough to discourage the move. I am one of those guys who doesn’t need the additional cost associated.
Keep asking for Superstock parts and that where we will end up.

L.Fite 01-05-2022 06:14 PM
Re: Explain to me again, please
 
Are there that many failures using a standard solid lifter in a stocker motor? The NASCAR guys used standard solid lifters for decades. I know the ramps are more aggressive in Stock these days, but a tool steel lifter for a .312" lobe? Are people turning stocker engines to 10K?

Well... one point is NASCAR was running a solid MUSHROOM tappit, as far as I know, those aren't allowed in stock...

Also NASCAR engines use larger diameter cams and last I heard was running an enclosed pressurized cam tunnel to make their stuff live...

That was years ago, are they still even using solids?

Any way... comparing apples to grapes.
Not much NASCAR does even compares to stock eliminator really.

JMHO

Todd Hoven 01-05-2022 06:24 PM
Re: Explain to me again, please
 
Look at my history I’ve been fighting against rule changes for a pretty long time. Go back to when I raced my first stocker I was fighting against the rule changes. Has nothing to do with being self-serving. I don’t race a car with roller lifters I have never owned a car with roller lifters. I don’t like the rules getting further away from Stock they are right now. That is my position. If you want to race cars roller lifters build a combination with roller lifters. And your argument could just be turned around and put your name in front of it. How can you speak for 1500 people that you think want rule changes? The problem is one racer thinks we should have roller lifters but he’s not looking at the cost on top of it or where it takes the engine program . It’s just now “I can buy roller lifters now it’s cheaper and I can go racing faster” has nothing to do with any of the other issues that pop up from it.




Quote:
Originally Posted by john ancona (Post 655059)
I have to believe Terry when he says $ 2100.00 for the lifters ,I know about a year ago I paid $ 1800 .00 . You are trying to spin the conversation from a lifter that in needed because of the enhancements to some kind of advantage , you can't tell me that you and others will remove the enhancements you have already took advantage of , from what I can see on here you never complained about any of them witch I am sure you have on your car ,it seems to me that you have a self serving interest on here telling others what to do ,and you use the We as if you know what's best for you but say we to help booster your opinion ,you are only one of the over fifteen hundred stock racers in the country ,so from what I read on here when you make these statements like Leave the rules alone ,and we don't need another poll it is as if you want to tell others what to do ,just like you have in the past !

Terry Cain 01-05-2022 06:37 PM
Re: Explain to me again, please
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GUMP (Post 655062)

The NHRA has me nervous right now. The possibility of someone interpreting what I might have run and penalizing me for it, goes against the spirit of class racing.
I'm a little older than you. That's the way it was done in the old days and you didn't have a word to say about it.

GUMP 01-05-2022 06:49 PM
Re: Explain to me again, please
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Cain (Post 655068)
I'm a little older than you. That's the way it was done in the old days and you didn't have a word to say about it.
And that's the right way to do it?

Terry Cain 01-05-2022 06:50 PM
Re: Explain to me again, please
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd Hoven (Post 655067)
Look at my history I’ve been fighting against rule changes for a pretty long time. Go back to when I raced my first stocker I was fighting against the rule changes. Has nothing to do with being self-serving. I don’t race a car with roller lifters I have never owned a car with roller lifters. I don’t like the rules getting further away from Stock they are right now. That is my position. If you want to race cars roller lifters build a combination with roller lifters. And your argument could just be turned around and put your name in front of it. How can you speak for 1500 people that you think want rule changes? The problem is one racer thinks we should have roller lifters but he’s not looking at the cost on top of it or where it takes the engine program . It’s just now “I can buy roller lifters now it’s cheaper and I can go racing faster” has nothing to do with any of the other issues that pop up from it.
To each his own.
I had two purposes when I first posted. One was to get the items I need and go racing. The second is:
I'm trying to make people aware that parts are becoming an issue and the idea of sitting on your hands and watching as the corporate world rapes customers with over priced items and wants to call it a shortage is BS. It's greed, plain and simple. Allow changes to alleviate the monopoly and you stop the greed.

john ancona 01-05-2022 06:52 PM
Re: Explain to me again, please
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Cain (Post 655063)
John,
are you saying I HAVE TOLD OTHERS WHAT TO DO IN THE PAST?
No ! Look back at my post from 2016 ,and you will see who I am referring to !
Those that choose to be the spokesman for other racers are the ones that I am speaking of !

Barry Polley 01-05-2022 07:24 PM
Re: Explain to me again, please
 
You would also be giving the .904 shaft mounted system the much needed upper hand. ;)
I don’t know anyone who is having issues with lifters or flat tappet cams.

What else is there to explain?

KRatcliff 01-05-2022 08:12 PM
Re: Explain to me again, please
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank Castros (Post 655046)
When the Cam Duration and Valve Spring rules were changed many years ago that created a Domino effect that changed Stock Eliminator forever.
Just my opinion, but I think you are hitting on the reason for changes such as these. Simplification of tech because they have lost most everyone that could accurately measure cam duration. Almost every change looking back over the last few years has been to make it easier on the tech officials if they ever do look at something. Same thing with the lifter issue. Anyone can eyeball a roller vs flat and it is easier to measure lift without replacing the lifter with a solid if it is already solid.

Could be all wet, but this is why I think we see changes like these. This is not to be read as I agree with the simplification for them to do their job.


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