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My two cents, I am not in favor of ditching traditional SS and Stock shipping weights. Yes the old GT shipping weight rules were obtuse( vehicle shipping weight +/- 250lbs ÷ engine factored HP to get Power to Weight & and even if a car fit a class it couldn't always get to run at the bottom or minimum of that class if it didn't fit the bottom of the class) but the traditional SS and Stock shipping weights rules are much more straight forward. Find your car's combo power to weight. See what class weight break it fits and you run one class lighter or one class heavier. Simple.
I think If you do away with shipping weights than there will be a whole lot more of dodging going on. Jumping to classes to avoid potential heads up. It certainly will be easier to do. Also some combos will receive a big advantage. For example the 4th gen LS1 Firebirds in SS. Auto Ram air cars fit F,G,H at 319hp. Flat hoods H,I,J at 305. You telling me that ever Ram air car is not going to switch a flat hood and get 14hp off their combo the first day that shipping weights are done away with? I am sure there is others that will benefit also. Not exactly fair to other competitors running against those combos. Finally I think it would cause more of a problem with people lighten their cars then running super heavy. Exotic materials (Carbon Fiber, Titanium, Aluminum, etc) aren't cheap and like most relaxing of the rules done in the past by NHRA will drive the cost of keeping a competitive car up dramatically. |
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Charlie,personally I would like to go one class lighter myself,I just gave an argument to think about, not thinking about myself so much;)
ps. We have met, and I like you:) |
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Y’all get the rules fixed and I will race by those rules. If the rules get to crazy there are other places to race.
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For a non-contestant like me all this controversy is disheartening and would keep me from racing a stocker again if I chose to.
I see the merit in both Charley's and Billy's points of view but naively wish the clock could be turned back and we all know that never happens. |
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If they give us a heads up notice of what is coming, then you realize that you better start building that electrical Super Stocker.
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Seems that some racers would like to see Stock "evolve" into Comp, but with advertised HP rather than cubic inches. Oh yeah, and stock valve size and lift, with no hood scoops. I know there are already too many classes, but with the barn doors getting opened more every year, I pine for a time when racers liked Stock, for the challenge for working with, and around, the weaknesses of the combination that they chose, retaining ALL the factory components, of an actual package that was readily available to anybody to walk into any new car dealership, and drive home. I wish things were more like Junior Stock was, than Factory Stock and "enhanced" Stock has become.
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And as racers find something that may affect them. They deflect and bring something else up that may affect someone else. And then it goes on and on and on. If you don't think the NHRA staff who make/change the rules don't read this stuff, you are mistaken. We will all deal with whatever changes come down the pike, but don't believe someone is sitting behind a desk thinking what they can come up with to screw with us next.. These things are a reaction to someone else's actions. And in that person's view, it may be warranted, but it comes with a price as we can see, and the posts keep coming in. |
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They'd eliminate ALL of us if they could.. You don't want to combine and eliminate half the classes..Don't give them the ammo to shoot us with. Plus combining stick and auto and eliminating half pounds will totally screw up the combo races.. Most seem to want heads up runs, but wait till it's every other pair. The budget guys who can't or won't go to 8-9 points meets will drop out of the local stuff too, don't you think, Charlie Bob? This is not the way to re- imagine class win payouts , if that's where we're going with this. But that's another thread... |
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