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Re: Ways to check on the use of illegal devices

The ARC module is already spelled out as being prohibited in Sportsman categories. I can’t imagine any sort of “traction control” being very consistent. Killing power, especially if trying to replicate a curve, may be too “stop and go” for it to work well in a bracket racing scenario.

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Originally Posted by Doug Hoven (Post 692204)

The ARC module is already spelled out as being prohibited in Sportsman categories.

I have been around long enough to remember the old adage "your not cheating if you don't get caught". We all know its self certification on entries and cars rarely get looked at closely anymore. That said, I think the vast majority of racers do not intentionally cheat.

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Originally Posted by Don Kennedy (Post 692104)

The thought occured to me that just maybe there are many ways to check on racers who are using illegal devises to have a advantge of other racers I will start first have a camera Zoom into the drivers compartment showing the tree plus the driver to see when the release the button ,any other suggestions ??

The absolute best way to catch someone who is cheating is to put up the money for an inspection. Of course you should provide tech with as detailed information as you can. I believe a visual inspection is in the neighborhood of $200-$300.

Put up, or…

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Originally Posted by Doug Hoven (Post 692204)

I can’t imagine any sort of “traction control” being very consistent.

you are very wrong

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Originally Posted by 1320racer (Post 692214)

you are very wrong

I see the flaw in my statement. I guess it really depends what is really defined as "traction control." I would put it into 2 categories, active, and passive traction control. I would consider time based timing retards to be passive. They are either programmed into the msd box, or the ecu. With these, the timing curve will be exactly the same every run, which has proven to be very consistent for many cars that use a setup like this. What I can't imagine to be super consistent would be a type of "active" traction control, where the msd or ecu is responding to wheel speed. I know that computers have come a long way, but the response time of something like this may not be quite fast enough for it to work with absolute accuracy. Correct me if I'm wrong, and I'm sure you will, but I've never heard of someone using an arc module or something similar that does the work of a "matty box" for you, and replicates runs with accuracy by changing the tune of the car going down the track.

Re: Ways to check on the use of illegal devices

Remember when it was about cutting a good light and running your dial? The only external wiring was for the Line Lock.

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Originally Posted by Frank Castros (Post 692238)

Remember when it was about cutting a good light and running your dial? The only external wiring was for the Line Lock.

It COULD be that way again but I won't hold my breath waiting.

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Originally Posted by DG (Post 692190)

I had not heard of the ARC referenced above so I looked it up. For those that don't know what the MSD ARC linked with the Grid can do, this is from MSD's website:

"OVERVIEW
Now there is even more control with the PN 7761 module for the Power Grid System Controller. This module sets rpm limits based on slew rate (rpm acceleration) or based on time since launch. All of this is programmed seamlessly in MSD View.

The ARC module stands for Advanced RPM Control, it basically allows your race car to remain consistent, pass after pass, controlling your engines rpm curve during a pass. This helps you get down the track quicker and far more consistent. By using the MSD View software we can control the rpm down to a hundredth of a second and control the driveshaft speed for maximum traction. We can also pull out timing for a split second should we encounter tire slip. Set 3 different timing Retard curves and a Rev Limit Curve to control wheelspin."

Nice video explaining the system here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJaItvplMUQ

Basically, it appears you set the driveshaft rpm curve in the Grid for a given ET, dial in and like magic you run within a hundreth of your dial in.

Dont feel bad. I had to look that up too. I had no idea what the ARC module did. I
guess I am old school. If I cant win without electronics or cheating then I dont get to. My deal is to cut a light and run the dial. I work real hard to do that. I am not a "hitter" but I do go some rounds and have finshed top 10 in the division 2 out of the past 4 seasons. I also had a divisional win in 22. Personally I dont think there is many out there cheating.

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Originally Posted by Doug Hoven (Post 692235)

orrect me if I'm wrong, and I'm sure you will, but I've never heard of someone using an arc module or something similar that does the work of a "matty box" for you, and replicates runs with accuracy by changing the tune of the car going down the track.

Doug, you're not going to hear of anyone using an ARC module in class or bracket racing because it is illegal.

That said, I have no first hand knowledge of the matty box and neither does anyone else that isn't/hasn't used it and they ain't talking about it no mind doing so on a forum but I am well aware of what can be done with the ARC module and if the question is can it be used for to make your car deadly consistent? That answer is YES and by deadly, I'm not talking hundreds, I telling you thousands from pass to pass but again, the best of the best bracket cars do this also without an ARC module.

start at 8:54

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPk0t6cgW0Q

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Originally Posted by Mike Pearson (Post 692240)

Someone is buying this module. I wonder how many MSD sells for $800.00?