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I had not either John, I was shocked it would barely turn and had not twisted the shaft yet.Attachment 71975 It had galled the shaft and the stuff left in the bottom of the distro was definitely clay dust from that dirt track. There are 4 venting holes in the bottom and a big vent in the Cap to let out the charged ions, but it also lets in dust and dirt.

My guess as bad as it was bound up will likely be a tenth too (in the first 60 feet maybe)...we shall see again in just 5 days. You can see where the 2" bushing sleeve wear was in the pic above. The first shaft I have seen though w/ that spiral oil groove and that drives oil downward, but also dust and dirt too that finds its way in, packed it all tight into that machined grease groove. The stuff in that groove was like concrete until I put it in Berryman's Carb Dip. Then I could scrape it out easily w/ a pick.

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Picked up a 10th and a half due to just the fixed distributor. Spare Distro body is having a Pertronix Ignitor P.U. installed within. And appointment set in Havasu to finish my (Holley Term. X), install and get it pro-tuned soon to start me off right. Patience and persevering pays off I guess.

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Still running on the Stock ECM/PM so far, but ran in the 16's at Phoenix vs mid. 17's at Vegas in The Summit Series. Car has a drop-off appt. on the 10th of March with Matthew Goade of RAD (River Auto & Dyno in Lake Havasu City, AZ), to check out and finish it all up and get it right the first time, which will help me learn the software portion he says I will learn it faster if it is right to begin with. Things are harder when it is an odd combo that nobody has done much with before.

Looking really forward to improving the Q-sheet position(s), makes the wait with it though the recent car changes has already improved basic performance of the driver over the last few months and made us both somewhat more competitive, so I am really looking forward to getting the next step completed. One large step at a time.

Matt has seen the car run a couple of times now and is familiar w/ the combo (at least the year, make, & model and knows the perplexity of the upgrade fully, and bonus is he is only 35 mins.
S.W. of me, so he is local and has seen the job and I have an 8 day break in my race schedule we scheduled the completion of the project drop-off for.

I really wanted to complete it myself, but I will learn quicker this way, and it will be right, right outta the box (giving me a tune I can always fall back on if I screw things up later, and I will have I believe a shorter software learning curve). You could fit in a thimble what I really know about the Holley Software right now, but as a longtime computer repair and IT
Tech, it won't take long given a great starting point. We shall see soon.

Where I lack right now was that there are strange differences in nomenclature between the wiring diagram and the software pin mapping (they flat out do not match up, and as a guy who is not an electrical engineer by trade, I simply do not know the exact type each wire on the WBO2 is beyond + or - , some do not even give you that much info, and unless you know offhand the exact type to enter into the pin mapping stage of hardware/software/wiring setup), you cannot get past wire 1, to even enter 2-8). YouTube videos are not detailed step-by-step enough to muddle through, phone call tech and tuning help is good, but direct hands on help with dyno time will yield better results.

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Above I have thanked a few along the way, I will thank the man now who took the mess that I was actually unqualified to even begin (making my own harnesses, because there was not an off the shelf solution available.

It now runs, it idles, it is now set to learn (there are things yet to do on the punch list I brought it home with, and plans in the near future to make all of the Holley Terminator X features available to use. Those things will come in due time.

I need to thank Greg Hogue for talking me into it and providing parts for the project. Robin Lawrence for stepping up and answering the call for help and encouragement, info, experience, data and providing a couple of parts I needed further. Holley for delivering purchased parts timely. The Irving's, 1600 Camaro, Billy Nees, and Yac.....all for not discouraging me (when they could easily have...I am no electrical engineer, and a robot or computer is not a race car), and actually encouraging me by not doing so (or in Billy's case giving me very valuable
free advice and great options, I chose to finish what I started...with expert help to clean up my mess, and I know that had to be the most frustrating 9 hrs he has ever soent chasing gremlins), and John Irving for actually not scoffing at my industriousness, and just saying "Well that is Very Ambitious of you" when explaining to him I was installing "in the pits" no less, the Holley T.X. harness I built.

I turned the project over to Matthew Goade owner of RAD River Auto & Dyno on Monday afternoon very hastily no less after being late 3 hrs. for my appointment set 5 weeks ago), due to a Tow Rig Truck breakdown on Sunday (we just cannot plan those, (I proceeded to wound the car and began a switch over from stock electronics working car to Holley system not running (I hsd planned to hand it over ready to begin easier, and we together both just ran out of time), I left to head back to Vegas then home after returning a rebted truck and trailer. It was a hasty exit, car was mortally wounded (old ecm/ pm in boxes in the hatch, and the turnover was not completely done). He spent 9 grueling and no doubt frustrated hrs
chasing down and fixing my errors (also I, unknown at the tine to me, had installed a non-working but new WB02 sensor), and charged me for only 7.

Just Tuesday evening he called me, car is up and running on The Holley, there is work left to do, I will give you a minor list, car has a base tune in it, WB02 needs replacement, Header collector needs extending for WB02 sensor, but it runs and idles fine...He was out of time, fully understood, as he also has other jobs lined up, other customers have appointments and need work done, and I picked it up early Wednesday AM (with his recommendations and punch list and happily paid the invoice with my apologies as follows.

Matt I fully dropped off a not finished buggy installation I understand now, that I really was totally unqualified to begin myself, but that is how we learn. And I will let all in the sphere of my influence know exactly who (frustratingly of course), tracked down & solved my issues and got it running!

I did not actually know Matthew Goade until 6 weeks ago, though I see a lot of RAD prepped cars at Vegas and elsewhere, and they fly...now I know why, and am super glad I met him when I did.

I know I frustrated you big sir, but I am sure glad right now, that you said you would take on the job, and actually delivered a running car. Sry from my soul that it frustrated you...But, you also were
up to the task...Now, I know what you did for me. And now I need to follow the advice and show off what you did to complete the project.

Don't be like me, take it to RAD...River Auto & Dyno first in Lake Havasu City, meet Matthew Goade and friends. He can work miracles.

I flat hated those ancient rudimentery electronic EFI elements that came stock in that car. And now they are in boxes in the hatch. That is where they will stay until I have a spare Holley branded ecu. But, I bet I sell em all to a rebuilder (before I ever put them back in that car).

I drove it on and off the trailer 1.5 days after delivering it to Matt! That car has not idled like that since 1997 Matt. And hearing from you that it will shift at 6,800 RPM all day long. Music to my ears brother! I think before I left I explained why...and you both understood why. I hope our identical guesses on the p.u. are spot on.

If so, we are right onto half of Billy Nees suggestion number 2. And doing so by doing number 1.

Thanks to everyone listed above in the thread, special thanks to Matthew as he made it all come alive w/fire in the 4 holes (first turn of the key in his shop), after working his magic by correcting my mistakes! Thanks Man...let's go racin' boys. See you next weekend in Vegas!

I want to show you what ya did for me.

You think you were frustrated sir, you should have tried to race it with those old Dino bones installed...I think I explained it a bit. Frustrated me for decades now, and now they are all boxed up, almost ready for sale...all 7 ecm's and 3 power modules om my garage shelf. (I am actually going to get to use all the available horsepower of that Engine I rebuilt 3 yrs ago...finally).

Thank you all! You know who you are.

I appreciate all of you. Having a blast, but it will be even more fun soon.

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I know Billy, "less typing, more wrenching"...I just took a break to say thanks where many Thank You's are due. It is really important to do so.

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Tested the car last Friday (Tuner Matthew Goede with RAD present and working his magic on the keyboard. Through a Muffler and long pipe extension. Ran the same ET from week before at 2,000' higher corrected DA. No more 4,800 rpm safety in low gear from the old ECM/PM, still driving in D...but adjusted the shift point a bit higher and 5600/5600/4,500 at tge stripe. Car wanted more, more, more fuel. Matt gave it more each pass for 4 passes.

Final 2 passes 60' matched , 330 matched to the thou. 660' within a couple of thou.....but the quarter was slower each pass.

Entered for Saturday/Sunday but Matt looked at the logs overnight and we are waaaaaay to lean (no damage though, but need to locate a 120-125 lb/hr injector High Impedance Bosch EV1 style on Saturday in Vegas, I had to withdraw my paid entry (first time in my racing life), and searched all day Saturday all over the Vegas Valley...no go. Changed plugs, inserted the camera into all 4 cyls, nice and clean in there as were the plugs removed, no piston or valve damages...whew! Packed it up, asked by note at 5AM Sunday to withdraw from The Sunday Race too. That really sucked, and put the car away in storage...ordered 2 injectors from fuel injectorclinic.com by Robin Lawrence contact Monday AM (TY again Robin!...)

The injectors 1-1,400cc/min and 1-1,700/min. Shipped Monday at noon. Due in Thursday/Friday. The Spring Fling 1/8th mile races 15K, 30K, 30K, 30K, Million starts April 1 @Vegas. It will need some tuning, but it will have the correct amt. Of fuel after a quick injector change and a 2 wire AIC repinning
switch. It is going to be ready.
I just hope it takes all day to get a couple of rounds done, I am deadly after dark there.

We shall see soon enough. Thank you Matthew/RAD...your time, advice, and tuning magic are valued highly! (It killed me not to race it, but you were right, it is not worth hurting it by any means), I was long gone in the dark of early morning before even the Juniors started up Sunday. I had to get off the premises before I heard the first motor start up....
I have the drag racing bug really baaaad!

Things are about to get a lot more fun racing a bit faster class racing turtle. Stay tuned, while it gets tuned!

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Gary,

Hope your system continues to improve & you meet/exceed your goals!

Mathew Goede worked his magic on an issue that had been plaguing our Terminator X tune, that had gotten worse. He hooked up to my ECU 4 times making changes.

My 60's & reaction times were 1.43s & .1xx, after his changes I was in the 1.37s & .01x. I had him stop with the changes because I had to start racing. I'm sure there's a little left in tuning for quicker 60's. We have been in the 1.20s with the old system.

1700/STY/781L :)

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Will not give away too much yet...But Matthew Goade of RAD (River Auto & Dyno), Lake Havasu City is a magic man on the keyboard tuning me throug a bucket list Spring Fling when we had to start all over fresh with a much larger injector. I could dial and go rounds a .002, a .017, a string of .030-.038 1 early deep red, and 1 foolish bet with Peter Biondo on an .003 for 50 bucks that was my worst light of the week...contained a 3..proceeded by an.08 (Note to self do not get wise with the seller of the boxes and parts you do not use), the lord gets even, sends a message and pride goes before the fall...but when he asked what my light would be I wasn't going to say .083 I said almost same thing it was at this time yesterday (.002), and padded it by a thou he said if it was he would pay 50 bucks...it wasn't. He collected a buyback and I got a free ice cream. Lol.

The tuning though was amazing (had three mechanical little things needed immediate attn. over 3 days, all fixed), and he said it was also 1/4 mile ready on the tune, everything looks good...Drive it hard, drive it like I stole it! So, that combined with a famous last file, last pass breakout off the throttle fully and on the brakes (against an unknown trip zip .000 8 thou total pkg in the other lane behind me....and looking up to see I was broke out .08 on a .25 in dial in an 8mph, gusting to 17-18 mph headwind at almost 2,500 corrected D.A.....that last file loaded is fast and I am looking forward to my first Nat. Event quarter mile Q-pass session on the 11th, eve, in D and through the muffler. Really looking forward after some data soon fir a sneak up but full wring out shifting it fully.

Following the advice of a great Tuner though, and that day will come soon enough!

TY huge Matthew Goade (RAD)! Racing and crewing fir Scott McClay on his Comp Elim. Entry these next 3 again (⁴ wides plus LODRS double at Vegas), will be interesting and busy. Adding a generator to keep it all charged up and aired up helped a bunch.

May will bring more fun as racing goes away until a bracket double in June, heading out to Texas to see some old and new friends and add a bit faster slow car to a Div. Double that rarely has a slow entry show up there.

Only been there at The Motorplex once in 1995 (a rain out after qualifying), and never got to return (Used that entry in Baton Rouge, LA a month later in the season). So, looking forward to that and finally meeting Greg Hogue in Aledo too!

We shall see how much faster (under index at least), we can work up to by races 4/5 on the new Holley Terminator X.

Thank you again MATTHEW. I know it has been a pain, unicorns are like that, but it is getting faster and sounds better than ever...those plugs are amazing looking for a car that was forever slow and phat!

Anyone in need of a fantastic Tuner (all types of systems, in person, in shop, or remote), or overall car design, build, etc.

MatthewGoade RAD (River Auto & Dyno), Lake Havasu City, AZ @riverautodesign
1435 Countryshire Ave.
Suite 101
Lake Havasu City, AZ 86403

Do not cheat yourself out of a great experience. Call him! Look him up on social media as he is active and you can see his work there too!
(928) 538-8599