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X-TECH MAN 09-01-2010 06:37 PM

Re: "Live" from Indy! 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez (Post 207234)
Almost as sad as when the FI cars came to be in the 90's.That was the eginning of the end.I still think Bob could unload a #1 if he wanted.

I think this is even worse as they ran these times in the heat of the day ! I see Kens 428 wont make the cut. Its a shame as that is a neat car.

Dave Ficacci 09-01-2010 06:42 PM

Re: "Live" from Indy! 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich (Post 207195)
The ZL-1 was legal for A/SA before AA/SA was created. It is at 7.15, so it's a natural AA car, being between 7.0 and 7.5. If it were 6.99 or lower, it'd be a AA only car. It's a tank in A though, 3560 + 170 for the driver, is 3730.

Incorrect. It's a AA only car with a factor below 7.5. Just like 08 CJs at 7.22 and 7.41

X-TECH MAN 09-01-2010 06:46 PM

Re: "Live" from Indy! 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave Ficacci (Post 207241)
Incorrect. It's a AA only car with a factor below 7.5. Just like 08 CJs at 7.22 and 7.41

Dave is correct !

X-TECH MAN 09-01-2010 06:49 PM

Re: "Live" from Indy! 2010
 
I see Bob Shaw is still playing the AHFS game at only .935 under.

Dean Roberts 09-01-2010 07:30 PM

Re: "Live" from Indy! 2010
 
Ed,

Detroit hasn't built a carbureted car since the mid 80s. So, you are wanting the class to be nostalgia Stock? EFI hardly ruined Stock. I love how you cry babies make blanket statements that don't really make any sense. One car was a run-away in the 90s, the LT-1, but there were plenty of other EFI combos that got spanked by carb cars.

Dean

RPinoski1 09-01-2010 07:30 PM

Re: "Live" from Indy! 2010
 
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, not only do they get HP on Monday but NHRA should also use the runs at the end of the period (Nov.- Dec.). So they should get a double wammy!

Andrew Hill 09-01-2010 07:36 PM

Re: "Live" from Indy! 2010
 
Now the 5.7 will only be 75+ hp short at 324, the 5.9 about the same at 284, and the 352 ford about 90 or so at 295. If things stay the way they are, none of the other combos will even get hit (besides Blossom's PT Cruiser). This will keep happening once a year, at Indy, so we still have 6-7 years left of this, maybe longer if the guys get smart about it. I think I'm going to get a chance to see the results of the first two E/SA cars in the 9's tomorrow...

Andrew Hill 09-01-2010 07:38 PM

Re: "Live" from Indy! 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RPinoski1 (Post 207248)
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, not only do they get HP on Monday but NHRA should also use the runs at the end of the period (Nov.- Dec.). So they should get a double wammy!

I think if they get auto horsepower after they run a second under, they don't count it at the end of the year. So unless they go a second under twice after this weekend, they won't get hit at the end of the year.

Jim Cimarolli 09-01-2010 07:53 PM

Re: "Live" from Indy! 2010
 
Andew Hill,

You sound like a very seasoned veteran racer!
How long you been at it?

fredjohnston 09-01-2010 07:55 PM

Re: "Live" from Indy! 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich (Post 207195)
The ZL-1 was legal for A/SA before AA/SA was created. It is at 7.15, so it's a natural AA car, being between 7.0 and 7.5. If it were 6.99 or lower, it'd be a AA only car. It's a tank in A though, 3560 + 170 for the driver, is 3730.

I'm hearing some people changed classes after the first qualifying shot.

Andrew Hill 09-01-2010 08:17 PM

Re: "Live" from Indy! 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Cimarolli (Post 207251)
Andew Hill,

You sound like a very seasoned veteran racer!
How long you been at it?

Haha, all my life as you well know, and I've learnt from the best! I'm missing racing so much that I've gotta do something, and complaining about the new cars is all I got!

W J 09-01-2010 08:29 PM

Re: "Live" from Indy! 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dean Roberts (Post 207247)
Ed,

Detroit hasn't built a carbureted car since the mid 80s. So, you are wanting the class to be nostalgia Stock? EFI hardly ruined Stock. I love how you cry babies make blanket statements that don't really make any sense. One car was a run-away in the 90s, the LT-1, but there were plenty of other EFI combos that got spanked by carb cars.

Dean

Yes, it's 2010. Strap the feed bags on, then let them all run....we've got some great new cars out there, and there's a bunch of new Sheriffs ready to roll into town......:D WJ

X-TECH MAN 09-01-2010 08:39 PM

Re: "Live" from Indy! 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fredjohnston (Post 207252)
I'm hearing some people changed classes after the first qualifying shot.

I dont think NHRA will allow that after they make a pass? I know IHRA would not allow it for sure.

Ken Miele 09-01-2010 10:04 PM

Re: "Live" from Indy! 2010
 
Its been a tough day, and I guess it pretty obvious I did not choose the right class. I probably would have been in the top 40 if I would have went to A. Oh well, no one to blame but me. I did not take into account how much the new cars would effect the bump. I would say it was 7 to 8 faster last year, but the bump went up mostly because of the new cars this year.

My troubles are nothing compared to the three guys that are broke and will probably not be racing. Larry Hill broke engine, Keith Lynch had some ignition problems that he said he could not overcome. I watch Joey Wilkes run, he started to smoke a bit by the 400 foot mark, some pieces flew out, and he oil the track a little. I think it was the engine but I could be wrong.

I feel so bad for Larry, two engines in one year.

The local weather calls for a little more cloud cover tomorrow not as hot, 84 for the high. Not sure it will be any quicker, but we will run at 8 am sharp for first round of class, which counts as our last qualifying shot.

Ed Fernandez 09-01-2010 10:14 PM

Re: "Live" from Indy! 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dean Roberts (Post 207247)
Ed,

Detroit hasn't built a carbureted car since the mid 80s. So, you are wanting the class to be nostalgia Stock? EFI hardly ruined Stock. I love how you cry babies make blanket statements that don't really make any sense. One car was a run-away in the 90s, the LT-1, but there were plenty of other EFI combos that got spanked by carb cars.

Dean

Not at all.Just have them factored to within the next county that's all.
Plain and simple.These cars(DP/CJ)would just be another car in S/S.The factories
wanted them to stick out and NHRA whored themselves (like they did with the FI
cars in the 90s)only it's more obvious now.If I had aA-E car I guess you could call it crying on my part.But I only have a lowly T car.Do you hear me crying about Bob's car?BTW
what make and class is your car?

Larry Hill 09-01-2010 11:17 PM

Re: "Live" from Indy! 2010
 
Sorry I haven't been on here for a while, but we have been crying in our beer (or vodka or wine). Yes , we are broke. Thanks to Jerry Bennett, George Widuch and Mike Bennett for helping to get our car back in the trailer. we will still we here for another day or so, so more later when I haven't been drinking!

Steves68Nova 09-01-2010 11:53 PM

Re: "Live" from Indy! 2010
 
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Originally Posted by Larry Hill (Post 206698)

http://i368.photobucket.com/albums/o...010/002-22.jpg
Jim & Mary Hale. He says this is his last Indy. He is calling it quits at the end of the year.

Hate to hear that. I have yet to meet this guy yet and only live 3 miles from him. I know I keep up with him at all the races.

Steve

Alan Roehrich 09-02-2010 12:11 AM

Re: "Live" from Indy! 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry Hill (Post 207302)
Sorry I haven't been on here for a while, but we have been crying in our beer (or vodka or wine). Yes , we are broke. Thanks to Jerry Bennett, George Widuch and Mike Bennett for helping to get our car back in the trailer. we will still we here for another day or so, so more later when I haven't been drinking!

Damn. :(

That's just heart breaking.

Tom P 09-02-2010 01:51 AM

Re: "Live" from Indy! 2010
 
Bummer about the motor, is it not fixable there?

Great pictures.

Pat Comstock 09-02-2010 08:43 AM

Re: "Live" from Indy! 2010
 
Is anyone else having trouble with Live Timing this morning? It works and then it stops... right now it is giving the pairs but no information on the run. This is SO maddening!! It worked a while and now we're back to freeze frame... geez! Just great! Now it says "service unavailable"!!! :(

Mack Reeves 09-02-2010 08:53 AM

Re: "Live" from Indy! 2010
 
Larry, sorry to hear about the motor..... If there is a good side to this at least you are not at the beginning of the "Swing".... Keep smiling and things will change.... Mack

DavidExit29 09-02-2010 09:39 AM

Re: "Live" from Indy! 2010
 
Here's a few from Wednesday.http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/s...7/IMG_4418.jpg

DavidExit29 09-02-2010 09:42 AM

Re: "Live" from Indy! 2010
 
Sorry to hear about the motor Larry.
http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/s...7/IMG_4426.jpg

DavidExit29 09-02-2010 09:44 AM

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http://i572.photobucket.com/albums/s...7/IMG_4416.jpg

Floyd Staggs 09-02-2010 09:56 AM

Re: "Live" from Indy! 2010
 
Larry and Patsy, so sorry about you mis-fortune. You were probably leaning on it for the big show. Thanks for all the reports and pictures from all over. You sure help us folks that have to stay home. Thanks.

Mike Fuller 09-02-2010 10:06 AM

Re: "Live" from Indy! 2010
 
10.24 and 10.25 in E/SA! WOW!

Larry Hill 09-02-2010 10:21 AM

Re: "Live" from Indy! 2010
 
Well first round of class is over with some really good runs. One run that was questionable was P/SA with Marty Buth and Krystocek. Marty ended up being declared the winner. They have called stock back up again. The weather seems better, but we don't have the tail wind today so the et's are not showing it. It still looks like it may rain later in the day. We are staying for another day or two, so I will be posting more later.
Patsy

Mike Fuller 09-02-2010 10:34 AM

Re: "Live" from Indy! 2010
 
10.08 in D/SA @130 MPH

Alan Roehrich 09-02-2010 10:37 AM

Re: "Live" from Indy! 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN (Post 207375)
The sad part is the lousy 3 1/2 % they may get wont hurt them a bit. They will STILL be screwing the old tried and true muscle cars. Why dont the racers get thier heads out of thier ***** and do something about this sham?


It's 3.25%, and no, it won't make enough difference to even see, most of those cars still are not showing their hand. It wouldn't reign some of those cars in if they got hit with 3.25% 3-4 times.

The racers will not unite, the closest thing to a united front the sportsman have ever put up was Indy in 1981 when the Modified racers protested.

If all of the Stock and Super Stock racers with traditional combinations would withdraw from 2-3 events on the Monday before the race at 11:45, NHRA would at least be stuck with some upset fans who might ask questions. But NHRA would probably just lower the quotas and add 0.90 Super class cars.

We now have the Internet, and a half dozen sites, giving us the ability to organize and unite as never before. And it will never happen. We'll all be ice skating hand in hand with Satan himself in his own back yard before people stand united to preserve our sport.

Floyd Staggs 09-02-2010 10:43 AM

Re: "Live" from Indy! 2010
 
What happened to Ryan McClanahan? Did he blow it up?

junior barns 09-02-2010 10:45 AM

Re: "Live" from Indy! 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Fuller (Post 207355)
10.08 in D/SA @130 MPH

What a JOKE!!!!

NHRA you are an idiot!!! And the racers who show up to support them at National events are just as bad! Everyone knew this was going to happen and this would have been the perfet time to show NHRA that if this is what NHRA wants this is what they will get!! 30 to 40 cars for total car count!!

NO SUPPORT

Oh, I forgot! We can't stand together for anything!!!

Greg Hill 09-02-2010 11:23 AM

Re: "Live" from Indy! 2010
 
My car is at Indy this weekend being raced by Bo Butner. He just got out run by a new Challenger that went 10.20 at 131 in E/SA. Junior I agree with you about not going to National events. I let Bo have my car because he blew his up in Bowling Green.

Mickey Whaley 09-02-2010 11:28 AM

Re: "Live" from Indy! 2010
 
That's plain stupid now i know why NHRA dropped the index's 3 tenths

Jared Jordan 09-02-2010 11:29 AM

Re: "Live" from Indy! 2010
 
With the mockery that the 5.7 is making of C/D/E, the supercharged CJ's don't look so far out of whack anymore...

My sympathies to the guys with tried and true non-CJ/DP cars that don't have a prayer in class. Pretty pathetic. Mark Lelchook has a really fast '69 340 Cuda in D and he's a half-second behind...and that's just one example.

Greg Hill 09-02-2010 11:35 AM

Re: "Live" from Indy! 2010
 
Jared, Bo went a 10.80 and got out run by 6 tenths. 10.80 is 1.20 under the old indexes.

fredjohnston 09-02-2010 11:49 AM

Re: "Live" from Indy! 2010
 
This is a joke..right?

1 5508 DF/S Charles Blossom, Woodbury MN, '04 PT Cruis 13.774 15.60 -1.826
2 391 D/SA Irvin Johns, Charlestown IN, '09 Challenger10.087 11.55 -1.463
3 316D E/SA Carey Bales, Lebonon IN, '09 Dodge 10.245 11.70 -1.455
4 3334 E/SA Chris Holbrook, Livonia MI, '10 Mustang 10.251 11.70 -1.449
5 4909 C/SA Dempsey Pendarvis, Gonzales LA, '09 Challe 10.017 11.40 -1.383
6 4022 G/SA Jeff Teuton, Houma LA, '09 Challenger 10.629 12.00 -1.371
7 4312 E/SA PB Candies, Desa Allemands LA, '09 Challen 10.399 11.70 -1.301

The government could run the HP program better than NHRA!

DavidExit29 09-02-2010 11:55 AM

Re: "Live" from Indy! 2010
 
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A few more.

X-TECH MAN 09-02-2010 12:00 PM

Re: "Live" from Indy! 2010
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fredjohnston (Post 207373)
This is a joke..right?

1 5508 DF/S Charles Blossom, Woodbury MN, '04 PT Cruis 13.774 15.60 -1.826
2 391 D/SA Irvin Johns, Charlestown IN, '09 Challenger10.087 11.55 -1.463
3 316D E/SA Carey Bales, Lebonon IN, '09 Dodge 10.245 11.70 -1.455
4 3334 E/SA Chris Holbrook, Livonia MI, '10 Mustang 10.251 11.70 -1.449
5 4909 C/SA Dempsey Pendarvis, Gonzales LA, '09 Challe 10.017 11.40 -1.383
6 4022 G/SA Jeff Teuton, Houma LA, '09 Challenger 10.629 12.00 -1.371
7 4312 E/SA PB Candies, Desa Allemands LA, '09 Challen 10.399 11.70 -1.301

The government could run the HP program better than NHRA!

The sad part is the lousy 3 1/4 % they may get wont hurt them a bit. They will STILL be screwing the old tried and true muscle cars. Why dont the racers get thier heads out of thier ***** and do something about this sham?

danny waters sr 09-02-2010 12:05 PM

Re: "Live" from Indy! 2010
 
Maybe have Indy 4 -times a year and it would only take about 2 years (maybe) to correct itself. I know ,just drop the indexes 3 more tenths. This is waaaayyyy screwed up !

Ken Miele 09-02-2010 12:08 PM

Re: "Live" from Indy! 2010
 
Ryan McClanahan's engine let go about the 1200 foot mark.

I always like to stay positive and I will be back here next year, but the new cars are so far ahead. It is hard to stay up beat when you see the numbers these cars can run

I feel for everyone that has worked so hard on their combo's. Maybe just maybe NHRA will see what happen this week and fix the disparity between the new and old cars.

On some lighter notes, A Stick has been a blast to watch. John Calvert just beat Ralph Porpora in the semi's, and will run Jason McCormack for the class final.

B/SA will also be fun to watch, it does not have any new cars to deal with. Hawk, DeFrank and Wilkes are the cars to beat. Who's knows what these guys are holding. Kreeber was my pick to surprise everyone, but he lost on a hole shot is round 2.

I know things are looking bad with these new cars, but in the grand scheme of things life is pretty good. Hey, I'm not in the show, but I still happy to be here and still having fun.

They just called stock back to the lanes for 3rd round of class.


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