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Tom Elk went into real estate. Here is his agent profile:

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Yes, Tom Elk! My girlfriend lived right down the street from him. He had a 68 Nova SS/J. I grew up in Newark and used to stop and talk to him occasionally when I was a teenager. Even helped him put a fresh engine in the car once. Damn I'm gettin old(er)

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Ok so if you had one of these old Jr stockers,what would it be worth today?

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WagonKiller,
It would probably depend on the car's history and how correct the car is to the way it was raced.
Bob Rice

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I was watching one of the car auction shows this past week and saw a '56 Chevy Jr. Stocker come across the block. It was a west coast car I think and had a 265 2-4 barrel carb engine with a stickshift and looked just like it would have in the mid 60's. The info said it ran H/S as well as some other classes in it's day and was raced for 10 or more years I think it sold for about $35,000

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Mark, Thanks for posting the pic of the old wagon. That car did pretty well in Div 1 in 72-73.
1980 Connecticut Dragway S/SS Track Champ, too
It is still around, too. It is the Kinash "Wizard " car.

Rich, I think the 12.08 on Richie's car must be the record he was running off of. I don't think we put dial -unders on the cars back then at Englishtown.

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That was last year at BJ auction. Jim Lamatrice was the original owner. Jeff Lee knows the recent story about it.

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Hmmmm ok so i got a 265 located in good condition,now i need a 2+4 intake,figure out what cam was in it,Now should i try to find this hydro thing? or leave the 4 spd in it.I am seriously worried about parts availability if it breaks,maybe get the hydro(still 1 old parts yard here)and have it on hand?

Exactly what did these hydro things come in?And how dependable are they for drivability?I was told there funky if you road drive a lot.

LOL Funny thing is i have a brand new TPI 350 that was destined for my ride,sitting in front of it on the motor stand,that i now have NO use for.

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WagonKiller,
Put the 350 behind the 265 if you want to drive it and try locating a hydro in Hemmings in case you want to make it completely original.
Bob Rice

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Nope - had a M/s 57 Chevy back in 69-70 - then a F/S 72 Camaro in 72 - now my son and I race in Super Comp.

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Wagonkiller,
I have a collection of the cams used in those Hydro cars.... Let me know if you need one. LOL..
I still think we should ask to drop the year rule in STOCK. It is no longer appropriate anyway.....

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Don,
Thanks for the reply. I have a picture of a Div 1 SS/CA 65 Dodge with either Don Schall or Don Scholl on the door. It?s hard to tell if it?s an a or an o in the last name. Must be an a though. Ring a bell with anyone?
Thanks,
Bob Rice

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Bob i was thinking about just getting all the original stuff together,and having it "sitting in the corner" built and ready to go.I have PLENTY of SBC's 69-350 a 40 over 350 the tuned port(but thats just not gonna be right) many 305's and the 307 thats in it now.

I think the hardest things to find will be the hydro and 2by4 intake and carbs.

Do you think upgrading to power disc brakes will roach the value?(lol got all that stuff except a few minor components)?

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I might need one,i need to do some reading in the mag articles i have.i think they put the stats for the engine in there.I have scads of SBC parts unfortunately none of them are that vintage.My sbc building experience is with almost all 70's sbc's and newer.

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Wow, old thread, but without mentioning any names, I feel that the most dominant Jr. Stockers of all time were the '57 Chevrolet 283, 270 hp solid lifter dual quad combos----whether it be a wagon, sedan delivery, 2 dr. post, 2dr. hdtp., or even the convertible...the few fuelie 283 hp. cars that were around were killers as well....I would still love to see these cars in stock eliminator today. I was lucky enough to own and race (a 270hp. convertible) one back in the early 60's, when Sunoco 260---(even some areas had 280) was available for around .50 cents per gallon. Times were sure easier on your wallet back then.....:) WJ

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$3000 in 1968 dollars !!!!!!! You could buy a brand new car with that check....Try buying a new car with the $$$ you would win today.

How about the $10,000 that was put up by Hurst for Super Stock World Champ around that same era......

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Dave Boretman's wins in a 69 Chev. Biscayne in 1970 or his wins in 71 383 Dodges in 1971 are a stand out in NHRA and IHRA racing. He had the "Tree" figured out ahead of most.

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Ditto.

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George Cureton?

John Dianna?

Of course I'm partial to '56 wagons...lol

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Has anyone mentioned John Barkley, or the Wheatley Bros.?
Cal Method payed his dues in that era also. It was probably a little after the Jr. Stock days when he used to set the record at just about every points race, switch bodies, change classes etc. to get it done back when they awarded points for setting records.

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Wish I could remember the name of the fellow Dianna bought his wagon from. He came through here on the way to Indy, ran Saturday night at OKC, and Sunday here at Tulsa. Dianna came through here and did the same thing the next year after buying that car. I can't remember the guy's name, but he worked he hand packed ice cream. Don't ask how I remember that one. Dianna burred the slider in his slick shifted 3 speed and borrowed a die grinder from a friend of mine who had one at the track.

My fist track-only race car was a nine passenger 225 hp '56 wagon

Neither wagon was nearly as nice as yours. <G>

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http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2298...82607023qgBaOx

this is it. I can still remember it before it was painted. It was raced at US 131 Dragway a lot. I don't remember what year it was, I THINK it was the December of 1968 when my big brother and I drove to Muskegon to talk to Dave. I found out Dave was going to Pomona. I told him how much I liked how that small block sounded with the fenderwell headers so we went out in the garage, he hooked up the battery and fired her up. WOW. I was hoping he needed a free crew member at the Winternationals, but was told the ramp truck had bucket seats and there were only two..........
Doug Kahl was a weekly regular at US 131 at the same time. Other favorites are the Monster Mash 55 and anything by Jere Stahl. Chevair (spelling ?) had three or four other drag cars at US 131 every week, including Don Holben's mentor Dick Griffin.

My ride at that time was a low budget 56 wagon 225 horse stocker and then switched to a 65 Impala 327 -250 hp 4 speed that was a fun ride.

Phil

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Is George Cureton still alive?

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Yes ! He was at the York,Penn. Nostalgia show in July.

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Did he quit racing after the Jr. Stock days? How old is he?
Thanks

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Jim,
George quit racing after the '81 or '82 Gatornationals. He sold his Chevy II to Ned Smith at the Gators and dropped it off at Ned's on his way back home. Here's a link to some pics of George's cars.
Bob Rice

http://dragnut.smugmug.com/George-Cureton-Collection

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Wow, thanks Bob, that is neat. I never knew the car was damaged in that towing accident.

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Jim,
The wagon is alive and well and is slowly being restored.
Bob

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Bob,
I think that car must have changed hands several times through the years. I made contact with a guy up in Oil City Pa. that used to have that car too.

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Good ol' Bob Rice has pictures of all the old guys.

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If he's got anything REAL OLD, think he might have anything on R.J. Sledgehammer?

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Spyder and the MASH....................:D

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Ed,
I wouldn't go that far but I sure try as hard as I can to see what I can find!
Bob

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Bob, you have a great collection.

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I've said it before,,and I'll say it again,,,if you've got any old photos collecting dust or sitting in a box,,snap them up and ship them off to Bob. I've done it a couple times and he takes good care of them and gets them back to you. At least this way they're out there for all of us to enjoy. I know I'm not the only contributor to Bob's collection, and I thank those who have participated, but I know theres got to be tons of pictures going unnoticed that can be posted,,especially with the off season just a few weeks away.
So,,everybody, start digging through your stuff,,,,,How was that Bob?
Danny Durham

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Yes, beautiful car. I remember going down to Columbus (Indiana) to his Sunoco station (the location is now a Burger King) just to check out the car. He had some help from Sox&Martin if I recall correctly. We kind of had our own "east coast rivalry" here in the midwest. Sox&Martin had their fingers in Englands car. I remember Truppi-Kling gave some backdoor help to fella named Bob Williams. Bob had a wicked 70 or 71 Chevelle, BBC that ran primarily in SS/DA. He and England had some good races here in the heartland. I know I'm getting old now, maybe someone else can remember the name of Bob Williams car?

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Danny,
You would make a great PR man. I just may have to hire you!
Bob

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Bob Williams is my neighbor. His car was called Double Trouble. He is still a cool gear head. He has a pro street nova and an ss trail blazer in his collection.

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Thanks Tommy. Yeah, that was it. It's been 35 years or more since those days. I was just a pup back then, prowling the tracks, trying to learn. I imagine he can tell some wonderful stories.