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My fault. I was looking at an old classification sheet. You are correct, right now it is 200 hp.

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74 is the best year Alan? figures, I got a 76 and a 79.
How did you get the BB to fit under the stock hood? Did you shim the k-frame? (another question would be, is that legal even if you didn't do it?)

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this is by far one of the best threads i have ever read on here. It's got my mind going, we have several old Grand Cherokee's around the dealership that have been abandoned, and we just pulled out a 6 cylinder last week that is right for a build up. A 98 Grand 2wd with a Dana 44 posi-trac rear with a "Hot" 6cyl... Look out Piedmont Stk/SS here we come!!!

Chris

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Thanks Mark......

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You oughta know... LOL

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74 was the only year where the big Thermoquad was allowed. It had a D4 part number.This is the same year engine that is popular in Super Stock. However, I have yet to hear of anyone running the combo in Stock.

I used 1 1/2 inch k-frame spacers and custom solid mounts to fit the engine under the hood. Perfectly legal.
As long as the the heads you use are the correct D3 castings and you use a D3 or D4 intake, you can use any year 460 block and crank and make it a legal 1974 deal.

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Amen! If I wasn't already a class racer, this is the thread that would get me into it! 'Course pre-internet, I had the real thing, live and in-person, when Billy showed up at Beaver Springs one weekend... and the rest is history. So yeah, it's Billy's fault! :p

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alan
the 74 has the small theroquad

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Oh....I thought it was the 800 cfm.
My D4 carb looks big.

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Really not much difference in performance.... even on big displacement engine
between big and small thermo. More variation between any two given carbs
at random.

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Carb Sizes;
Ford/Motorcraft TB 1.563x1.960 Ven 1.250xAV,
Holley TB 1.563x1.563 Ven 1.250x1.
Carter ThermoQuad TB 1.375x2.250 Ven 1.063xAV

To me, the motorcraft looks the best with 1.563x1.96 plates and the biggest air valve. Now obviously the secondaries on the thermo bog are bigger but the air valve is smaller.
Is there really that much difference?

Anybody know what the carter flows compared to the holley or ford? And yes I realise quality is better than quantity, just curious.

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Well Dad and I took the Seville out to our back road dragstrip today. From a dead idle he almost put it in the ditch! This is a legal street car NHRA legal U/SA. Less then 5k and run well under. But it is a 4dr Seville :( I had looked at it before Shaw did his but I passed because it is so ugly :) LOL

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The uglier the better. Leave the steel wheels on it too. If all else fails,put flames on it!

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OK, how about 93 cougar with the 170hp 232 v6?

50mm throttle body/port fuel inj
roller cam
.426/.452 lift
1.78/1.46 valves in big heads
outer spring and damper

I found Isky sells 3.8 ford cams (264 mega etc) maybe blanks are available now?
This is on Cranes site for 3.8's;

"Camshafts for this engine family are manufactured on a custom order basis. Please call our tech personnel toll-free at (866) 388-5120 and discuss the profiles that are available for your particular application. In some cases, where outright cores are not available, it may be necessary to regrind your standard camshaft"

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I'll tell ya it felt strong enough to tow to Budds Creek untried - yes it has stock wheels and those hub caps weigh 25 lbs. each!!!!! Wonder what the forecast looks like???? :)

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Don`t forget to flush the fuel system! Let us know how it goes if you make the trip!

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Yeah I was thinking about that too, don't have to worry about weight - its about 300-400 heavy :) I wish I knew how to tune this Holley computer. We just have it on a base setting for a street 350. Just got it running basically. I will say if a 4000 lb cadillac can fry both rear tires for about 200 feet it should run 14 something.

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cool!

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IHRA Combo 69 4-door Nova natural V add weight to W will run.......Far enough under to get Hp! I have one that's how I know. 91 Cougar.....you figure it out. 80 Monza 151 Iron Duke with a stick...... Killer W car....88 Cutlass ....I have one....you figure it out....I have gotten away from the stock class cars & started looking @ SS so some I have found escape me. To me the best (or in my mind cheapest) is the 78 Camaro U/SA. Now then IHRA the 1998 Mustang GT factory 225 rated @210 is an EASY car! I bought one new it would run right @ the index with NO mods!! I'm talking factory Goodyear Radials! The early 90's to late 80's Mustang's ARE a good combo for the money in both Stock & SS (my .02 cents)

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I just got an e-mail from one of my "old racer buds" and he wants me to post a combo that he says we "missed".
82-84 Camaro/Firebird 173/135
Yeah it's small and it's a 2v but what a 2v! 800 Q-jet cut in half with 1 pri and 1 sec means 400 cfm no matter how you flow it.
Real nice cylinder head with biggish valves for a little motor (1.60/1.30).
.347/.394 cam, not a lot of compression
200 turbo
This one would test your scrounging skills and our budget but I think it could be done cheap to run under the index and built up on as funds come up.
There is one of these "screaming" around D-2 so they will go fast.
I think the key to doing this one on our budget is to find a Dana-44 "GM Service Package" bolt in rear. I've bought and sold a couple of them and the most I've paid for one is $100 (but good luck!). Don't confuse them with the "australian" rear, these look like a Dana.
Parts are available right to maybe squeak it under our budget cap.

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I have run that car in D2, I believe his name was Griffin. I can tell you that is one very FAST car. I spoke with him for a while and he worked on the car for some time. Then he got hooked up with Mike Saye and we all know the rest. He is a good guy, hard worker and a good racer. A couple years ago when he set the record at Valdosta he said that he still had other things to try but Mike told him to save that for a latter date.LOL... We have a couple very quick "V" cars here in D2.

Great posts I have learned allot.

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That's a great FWD combination, available from 1980-1985 in a standard version and a high perf version with bigger valves, better heads and more camshaft. Joe Moore raced a Citation way back when in the elate '80s, and ran fast easily even then. These engines also were available in the 1982-1984 Firebirds. The high perf engine was available in 1983-84 Firebird SEs with a 5-speed.

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V/SA Norman Griffis Jr., Johnston SC, '84 Fireb 14.742 15.50 -0.758

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Yeah ,that little motor will haul a**! 15.30 @ 89 in a Citation with stock HO long block, street and strip cam, stock converter and stock 3.33 final drive, and home made headers (Ya hear me, Gary H?).
The HO heads came with a factory 4 angle valve job. That was always fun in teardown.
I always thought it would run in a RWD car with real gears and converter.


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Mark
What ever happen to your citation.

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I sold it to Ron Jeffries from Fla. He gave be some cash, his Gators winning Firebird for collateral, and promised to make payments on the balance. He made a few, then disappeared off the face of the earth. I sold off the stuff I had and got the rest of my money that way. I think he was working on an oil rig in La. at the time . It's probably rusted away down to nothing down in The Bayou somewhere.
If I ever find it , I'll go and pick it up...I still have the title!

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A FWD killer combo with this engine is the 1986 Cadillac Cimmaron - PFI, all the HO stuff and 130 hp.

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Has the '66 full-size Ford with the 240 inline six ever been considered? It has some appealing specs, I think.

150 HP factor (OEM gross rating,) 1.787"/1.566" valves, long rod motor (6.7",) 12 port head, cam specs: .366/.400 lift, and fits the V Stock class (24# pounds per horsepower,) almost perfectly.

It comes with the all synchro 3-speed manual, or a C-4.

Dunno if it has the 9" or an 8" rear; probably the latter.

Dunno about that 1-bbl carb, though.

Might be difficult to find, but should be an easy (and cheap) build.

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That is the man!! I have seen him go quicker than that...Very Good running car!

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Great thread guys!
You've answered my question on what to do with the 318 2bbl Volare Wagon,or the 79 slant 6 4spd 2dr Volare and all the spare parts in the back corner of the shop!
Our son is showing interest in racing and either one with an auto would appear to be somewhat competitive and affordable class racing starter car for him.
Does anybody know if a scattershield was ever made for the slant 6?

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Not required on a 4 or 6 cylinder. The approved flywheel and clutch is, though.

I'd love to see a Super Six , 4 speed in V/Stock.

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" Does anybody know if a scattershield was ever made for the slant 6?"

You have to use a adapter plate and a small block bellhousing.

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I knew it wasn't required Mark, I was just thinking if there were any floating around it would be nice to get a hold of one for added strength and safety.

I can't help but think that a 4spd 2-bbl Super Six could be competitive in U or V, question is could it be done on a budget and live?? I have a bunch of B-body 8 3/4 stuff that would bolt in and a couple of 833 A-body 4spds(one Liberty) that are also a direct bolt in, you would have to live with the ratio but I think they would survive ok behind a 2900lb "buzzin half dozen" if the clutch was right. It would be fun to play with since I have several of these cars and engines floating around..lol!

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Just remember , a stick car will break stuff ,even in V/Stock

I'd slick- shift the Chrysler 4 speed and try it. Get yourself an approved diaphragm p.p. and rag disc and shim it out a little until it barely wants to slip on the 3-4 shift.
We're not spending any money on this thread..remember .

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What about the LB8v6 FI engine 2.8 132 hp in the same Camaro 1987? I've tried to find the carb version in many scrapyards and no luck on the carb and intake. Claude

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In 1971 my H/G slant 6 powered 4 speed Anglia broke cranks off at the fywheel flange on two different engines. The motor still ran both times, the flywheel just didnt turn. Other people say they never heard of it but Im just telling you what happened, they will break

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Looks like this engine is availablle in more than one year

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1967 thru 1981 to be exact.

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For those of you who missed the "fireworks".

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This has been quite the interesting post, especially for those looking to get into the class on a "budget" if there even is such a thing in this class.

Would this combo be any good? 67 Plymouth/Dodge 273 4bbl which is factory rated at 235hp but only rated 210 by NHRA. These were 10.5-1 motors with a falt tappet cam and adjustable rockers. Only reason i ask is i have one of these engines sitting under our bench out of a 67 Dart GT i once had. In a Barracuda fastback looks like it would be an M car.