Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

Here's another '62 Dodge Polara convertible...I guess it would make a nice cruiser.
http://www.mecum.com/auctions/FL0112...d=122011203452
http://www.mecum.com/auctions/FL0112...d=122011203452
http://www.mecum.com/auctions/FL0112...d=122011203452
http://www.mecum.com/auctions/FL0112...d=122011203452

http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_de...46&lottype=car

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

A few more pic's of some '62 station wagon's...

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/a...0&d=1239238468

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/3...raldtaylor.jpg

http://classracer.com/classforum/pic...pictureid=2405

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/a...0&d=1242395324

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

ok paul this might be a tough one for you, do you know whos race car this is?

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

Jimi,

Well, I see fenderwell headers and a D & J marking on the
side panel glass, and Cragars.

And 'Shaker II'

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, maybe Darrel Davis out of 'Division 2'

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

Great thread. Always loved the Behemoth. Saw a wagon at Auburn several years ago for sale. I didn't know enough to evaluate it. Price was Cheap for what it appeared to be with the 2 x 4s.

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

On a related note has anyone seen any actual cars[Dodge] with the 413-385hp or 413-394hp motors? I suspect they were a "paper only" combo that was never competitive with the Max Wedge. It will be interesting to see some details on the upcoming Mecum auction on the Polara convert pictured in a previous thread.

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

its actually the behemoth!

here is the last e mail conversation i had with bob burkitt

"James -



Good to hear from you again, I thought you might have lost interest in the car. Good to know that you still have it.



Mike is correct, the car originally was called "Shaker II" after our first race car which was a Plymouth called "Shaker". The lettering in the picture is hand-cut vinyl traced from the original artwork on the Plymouth. We started racing the Dodge in stock paint and color for half a season then over the winter we took it apart and brought it up to snuff with some minor bodywork and stripped it for painting. You might recall that it was pearl with a blue top when we sold it to the Moreheads. When we had it it was a 383 inch engine of 343 hp with dual four barrel carburetors. I'm not sure what it has now or if it even has an engine, perhaps you can update me with regard to the driveline. What are your plans for the car? Any pictures of it as it sits today?



Bob"

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

How about some more old shots of the 'Behemoth'...'62 Dodge station wagon.

http://jalopyjournal.com/forum/attac...4&d=1264955309

http://jalopyjournal.com/forum/attac...7&d=1264955309

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/a...2&d=1307794891

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/a...1&d=1307130314

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

awesome pics moose!

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

Jimi
Did you buy the car from the moreheads?

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

Question? Did the Orange Crate S/W shown on page 13 become the car raced by
Al Etter/Don Studley? Possibley Joe Schweigert or Chuck Norton know the answer?

I do know when they sold their S/W it went to live in Florida, but that was back in the
80's.

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

Jimi,

You tricked me up,,,,,,,,,;)

Though 'Shaker' was the name Dave Kempton used on his 62' Plymouth
'Sport Fury',,,that he ran through 1967.

Did they buy his 383/343 HP Plymouth 'Sport Fury' car, and run it 1968
in (D/SA) or 1969 in (E/SA) before switching the Dodge Model #440
Station Wagon.

pc

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

yes i did ,

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

frank the trick tank is in the pittsburgh area, it is black and white mini tubbed and gets lots of time bracket racing.

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

I found a 1962 photo of a white Dart Model #440-door Hardtop classed in S/SA,
with 413/385 HP lettered on the front fender.

What was it with those 4-door racers back then,,,,,,,,,,

Information states that these 1962 Dart Model #440 4-door Hardtops were listed as
'Executive Cars'

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

Phil: Etter and Studley ran a 62 Plymouth Wagon E/SA. The Orange Crate
was a 62 Dodge F/SA with a ton of lead under that vinyl Roof. I bought it as
a roller in later 70's and never put it back together. I think it ended up at
Santa Fe Springs Ecology Center next to John Greenwood 65 Plymouth
until they were crushed!

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

Jimi,
I'm glad you joined the conversation.
I remember being in your shop when you first bought the Behemoth and it was still white and blue. I still love that car.
Who bought the Trick Tank from Joe Kenney?
Frank

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

Here's a couple shots of the 62 Dodge wagon called the 'Trick Tank'...
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/a...3&d=1231089997
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/a...2&d=1231089997

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

Anyone here know if this is Don Garlit's '62 Dodge original car or a replica of it...for some reason I'm thinking it was originally a black car from an old photo I seen years ago.
http://image.moparmusclemagazine.com...mage_large.jpg
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/a...7&d=1204862756

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

I bought this wagon in the late 70's with the intent of racing it in SS. I was too young and too broke run with the pack. But we bracket raced it for a couple of years. What a blast!! The wagon and 383/343 HP was always rarity and attention getter at any race.

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

This car sold today for $44,000 as per Mecum's website. Don't think it was ever televised [damn!]. What a great unusual driver!

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

http://classracer.com/classforum/pic...pictureid=5503

http://classracer.com/classforum/pic...pictureid=5502

http://classracer.com/classforum/pic...pictureid=5507

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

An old shot of a '62 Plymouth wagon called 'The Mover'...
http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/1091/themover.jpg

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

L.D. is still racing but in a 69 AMX with a 360 Chrysler small block engine in one of IHRA's crate motored stock classes. Runs 10.60's-70's. It does nice wheelies. He is a real character.

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/a...8&d=1245525608

http://inlinethumb55.webshots.com/34...600x600Q85.jpg

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/2803/deanrusselljr.jpg

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

How about some old photos of Jeg's '62 Dodge wagon, owner & driver 'Hillybilly' who ever that was...
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/a...5&d=1237656166

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/921...can62natio.jpg

A few more old shots of the Jeg's sponsored '62 Dodge station wagon the 'Hillybilly'...it's painted a different color now and not sure which colors were first painted on this wagon.

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/a...6&d=1237656166

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s.../JegsWagon.jpg

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

Mike,

On the 1962 Dodge Model #440 3-Seat/9-Passenger Station Wagon

With the 383/343 engine combination, it had a Weight-to-Horsepower Factor of 10.51 Wt/Hp, based on its weight of #3608 lbs.

Between 1963 and 1967 it fell into the 9.50 - 10.59 Wt/Hp Factor.
Obvioyusly, not a desirable weight factor, as the car fell into the wrong end of the weight bracket.

In 1966 the NHRA bumped the classes up one.
In 1967, the NHRA changed them back to the earlier years.

In 1968, the NHRA re-factored the entire Stock Class Division by .50 Weight Breaks.

In 1968, the Dodge Model #440 Station Wagon suddenly became a highly desired race vehicle with the 383/343 HP engine combination.

Then the word got out during the year, as several racers were making news with this car combination.

In, 1969 thru 1971, it was one of the best drag race cars in the Stock Class Division.

In 1972 and 1973 in SS/JA, not a dominant car.


Classes by Year:
1963 = B/SA
1964 = B/SA
1965 = B/SA
1966 = C/SA
1967 = B/SA
1968 = F/SA
1969 = G/SA
1970 = H/SA
1971 = H/SA
1972 = SS/JA
1973 = SS/JA

In 1972, the NHRA changed the Stock Classes to basically 'Pure Stock', and instituted a 10-Year Rule, meaning cars built before 1963 were out.

Though some racers were successful in Super Stock (SS/JA) , the cars prime years were in the Stock Class Division, from 1968 thru 1971.

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

http://classracer.com/classforum/att...5&d=1327471538

Denny, do you have anymore old pics of this one...do you still have it or know what ever happened to it.

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

Spent time racing with Gary Doose and his "Supply Wagon" in Amarillo, early to mid '70s. Anyone have photos?

Rick Carlson

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

Here's a couple of pic's of a '62 Plymouth called the 'Shaker'...

http://jalopyjournal.com/forum/attac...7&d=1263645065

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/a...2&d=1227314589

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

Here's a couple of shots of the '62 Dodge station wagon called the 'Supply Wagon'...

http://i1177.photobucket.com/albums/...upplyWagon.jpg

http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/t...ion4meet71.jpg

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

Here's a few shots of a '62 Dodge Dart 330 station wagon called 'The Music Box'...

http://image.hotrod.com/f/9513523+w7...wagon+left.jpg

http://image.hotrod.com/f/9513550+w7...wagon+name.jpg

http://image.hotrod.com/f/9513547+w7...gon+engine.jpg

http://image.hotrod.com/f/9513520+w7...mage_large.jpg

http://image.hotrod.com/f/9513526+w7...ront_right.jpg

http://image.hotrod.com/f/9513529+w7...oupe+right.jpg

http://image.hotrod.com/f/9513532+w7...mage_large.jpg

http://image.hotrod.com/f/9513514+w7...ront_right.jpg

http://image.hotrod.com/f/9513562+w7...mage_large.jpg

http://image.hotrod.com/f/9513517+w7...agon+right.jpg

Here's the related article...

http://www.hotrod.com/featuredvehicl...ng_dodge_dart/

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

HM,
I sold the car to a guy who lived outside of Myrtle Point, Oregon. He painted the car and installed a 440. He raced it at Woodburn occasionally, but most of his action was at an 1/8 mile track on the southern Oregon coast. I saw the car sitting on a trailer in front of his business about 4 years after he bought it. He told me that business was good and racing had to take a back seat. I have no idea what happened to the engine or the car.

Denny

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

The "Pates" wagon was also ran as a D/SA with a 394HP, (inline dual quad, solid lifter, Police Option) 413" engine. I had the pivilege of driving it then. The owner of the tape shop wanted it ran at Irwindale (original) Drag Strip to advertise his business. His name was Rich and had me play a tape which turned on the light bars in the rear windows, real seventies. On 7" tires it could be a handful. It won class at the Hot Rod Magazine Meet at Riverside one year against Gordon Williams blown Studebaker. My memory tells me we went 11.98 at Irwindale one night in bracket form. It had 9" drum brakes and scared me at least twice in shutdown. I still have fond memories of a hauling wagon.
Fred

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

How about one more '62 Dodge station wagon called 'White Trash'...anyone here remember this car.

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/1...itetrachii.jpg

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

This thread is a good one and thought I'd bring it back. I have a nice 62 Belvedere Post car that I'm gonna build into a drag car. At first I was just gonna go with a 440 and then considered a 413 Max Wedge clone but am now considering a 343horse 383 beings I have a 383, 915 heads which were allowed later on as replacements and most of all I have the 1827899 intake. This car will be bracket raced mostly but I'd like to see what I could get out of it building it to late 60s early 70s rules.
Were they allowing the "cheater cams" at that point? Any input you guys can offer is appreciated.

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

The 62 Dodge wagon aptly named "White Trash" was owned and raced by Willard Wright from Monrovia, California....was a stock eliminator car up through the 1971 season......the attempt to covert it to a super/stocker was not a huge success....In 1972, the Smothers brothers,recognizing Willards driving prowess and crowd magnetism, gave him one of their 5 Oldsmobiles........I purchased the Edelbrock STR-14 intake and carbs from that Dodge......The manifold was the prototype for future units....ran it on my car for many years....now to answer straightaxle65`s question...YES, cheater cams were allowed in the late 60`s and early 70`s....in fact they have always been allowed because tech had no real way to check them...They could measure lift, duration and overlap, but could not determine the "rate of lift"........my first recollection of these cams were a very few"special" 097 Duntov cams that Jere Stahl had for 1957 Chevies......Also the 67 915 came both ways with 2 different exhaust valve sizes..The larger one is legal.......By the time the combustion chamber is milled to 66.5 cc`s, the compression ratio will be near 11 to 1.....

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

I talked to George at Clay Smith Cams today and as soon as I mentioned the 343hp 383s he started talking about the "Shaker" cars and Dave Kempton and Family. I've talked to George before and could tell he is a straight shooter and after talking to him today it confirmed it. He answered questions before I asked them. He said he would grind me any solid cam I wanted from the originals on up to a modern grind.

He stated he has all the archives and if he dug hard enough he could find Kemptons cam specs. I told him that I was doing this just for fun and he suggested to go with the .445 lift and throw some extra duration and rate of lift at it.

He had alot of good stories about winning, getting tore down and meeting all the specs and getting home just in time on Monday morning to go to work again.

Good Stuff!

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

I hate to rain on your parade but this was never more than an over the counter dealer item. As mentioned in post #80; "has anybody ever seen one, a production 1962 383/343 vehicle?"
The fact that Mother Mopar made it legal & NHRA accepted it as fact is true. But they made about as many of these engines on an assembly line as they did the NASCAR single 4bbl Hemi!

Re: 1962 Mopar 383/343 HP 'Stocker'
 

Yes, I was aware of that even before I read this thread. Whether off the showroom floor or over the counter these cars are cool and have a place in history. I'm not trying to set a national record, just out to tinker and have fun and being that I have the car and a few of the "over the counter parts", I figured why not.

A front engined rail with a blown 392 will never again win an NHRA national event but it will always have so much more than a modern dragster.:cool: The Parade is still on schedule..