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Thanks for the FYI but I knew what you did on Kevin's car. I have seen you bragging about it on here before. So what part of my post was wrong? You don't own a car, you assumed I can't dosomething, since i dont do what you do i am not good enough to respond, and when I seen you at BG a few weeks ago you were running the grill and talking. Lol

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Let me know when you have something of importance to contribute, to anything. The only thing you did in this thread was to make a pitiful attempt to insult people. You have absolutely nothing what so ever of value, importance, or intelligence to add to the discussion. THAT is why no one listens when you "respond". That, and you do not participate in class racing in any form that anyone is aware of.

You "seen" me? Well congratulations, I'm really happy for you, genius.

Yeah, we have a good time at the races, we cook on the grill, and we sit around and talk among friends. What of it?

I have wasted enough valuable time with your assinine stupidity. I'm done, go bother someone else who has time to be bothered with you.

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I always thought racing was racing, no matter the class, but as I read this thread, I find that as I no longer am able to race (doctor said quit), that I may need to reevaluate. I come to this site to learn any info that I can gleam from people that should be in the know better than. But I also come to see how our sport is progressing or moving. After reading this thread, it may be time for a new evaluation. Many people people are posting, some that race, some like me that have to only go look, and those that help. Some of the info is good, some is so so., but all is conversation about OUR sport. Would like to make a observation as Mr Stimpson did, but got personally criticized. In case most of you have not recognized, class racing is on the down turn, both in numbers participating and in those people attending races to watch. So I feel we should be particular in how we criticize anyone for making a observation or contributing any input. Lets not let this be a part of the reason for the down turn. Also the other side should be a little more tactful with your inputs as your racing may turn down also. When you are at a track, that is a family, like it or not. It is really a family reunion of people that participate in a sport of gear heads. I do not want to ever have to go to yellow bullet because this forum stinks as some of this thread does.
charles

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Hey Alan, back off on Nathan. He never said anything that wasn't true. But I will tell he ain't no dummy when it comes to racing. Just because you don't agree with what he says doesn't mean he is wrong. And no, I don't have a damn stocker either...but I've stayed in a Holiday Inn. Does that qaulify me to come in here and offer suggestions? Geez...

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Wheelie Bars. Is it used for safety reasons? Go on google and type in. "What are wheelie bars used for in a drag racing? Pretty obvious!

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Charles,

An opinion is one thing, but Nathan chose to insult class racers instead. Alan would have never posted a response as he did to Nathan if he was respectful. Calling us snobs does not help the conversation. Nathan chose to criticize class racers with his first post, he set the tone for the responses that followed.

As with your post, your assumption that class racing is on a down turn is dead wrong. This site alone proves the exact opposite. So your opinion is noted and I disagree, we are not being insulting and that’s how it should be. On the other hand when a member jumps into a topic and has to insult members with his first post, he will be held accountable.

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n/m

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Good post. Oh and yellow bullet is a good place if you stay out of trash or be trashed section. Lot of smart guys over there willing to help. You can learn from some of the sports best over there just have to get in the tech sections.

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Ken go back and look at my first post in this thread again. Never said anything insulting in that post. Only after I was insulted did I fire back. Respect is kind of a two way street. If you tell me I am a idiot because I don't do what you do the way you do it is that being respectful?

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No insults in this post towards anyone..

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Nathan,

The above statement is insulting to me and not helpful in anyway. Yes we have issues with not only NHRA but each other, but it would be like me going into the Top Sportsmen section and posting. I know many Top Sportsmen racers, but I do not presume to know anything about their type of racing. I would never go into a forum and post as you did without walking in their shoes first.

I guess I'm the sensitive type, but you could have worded it differently or just not posted.

Crisco, I guess we look through a different set of glasses...... I was insulted.

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This forum is for and about class racers. We were debating the obvious need for wheelie bars when it was interrupted by several people trying to compare class cars to 10.5 cars. Which of course didn't work out for them. Now we have some bracket guys with childish chips on their shoulders hurling insults. Bracket guys have their sites and can contribute all they want but coming here just to be ugly when you don't get your way is unacceptable. Alan has raced in nhra stock and coninues to build and crew Stockers. Alan has been a valuable contributor to this site. I think Mr Stinson has shown enough ugliness to be banned. And should be.

This thread was derailed by the bracket guys and we need to return to the original intent. Which is, the idiotic ruling by nhra to change or remove our wheelie bars, at great expense and risk to the racers, nhra staff and nearby crew members. nhra tech has been reduced to puppet status by nhra and picking on little body modifications like this shows they have been neutered. Bruce isn't attending many national events and I don't think they have torn down 3 cars this year. That leaves the door open for all sorts of chicanery. How long has it been since nhra drug tested the racers?

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who is the bracket racer you're talking about Bruce. Why should I be banned for stating the truth in my first post in the thread?

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Sorry if the truth insulted you. I can only go by what I read on here. There have been countless threads about cost, nhra, entry fees, rules etc all complaining. If I hated it that bad I would do something else.

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The above is your first post. Not a good start and you are now in the same league with Ed 1320, well almost, you may not even be an nhra member and it looks like you haven't been in a Stocker for more than ten years and your avatar looks like it isn't of a class car. But this thread has had enough of your distraction. You have gotten all the attention you're going to get from me.

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Nathan,

No need to be sorry, truth is good. Your post goes beyond just truth, its more about your opinion of the class racing community. like I said, you set the tone with your post. It was disrespectful and should have been reworded. If you had shown respect, I like many others would not be posting.

Sorry Bruce for taking this off topic.

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You confuse passion for our chosen part of the sport for hatred. We all complain about the government too, but that doesn't mean we hate our country. We love stock and SS, it's still one of the most challenging classes out there. A lot of people don't like or understand class racing, that's fine. But you don't see us on a bracket racing or heads up racing board, telling them how they're "doing it wrong". Several bracket/heads up racers already chimed in here with their .02, long before you arrived.

To sum it up, when it comes to rules and race procedures, we really don't care what those who don't participate in class racing think.

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Chris, this about the 4th or 5th time Nathan has decided to shoot his mouth off at me, and I'm done listening to it, and I'm done with him. If he wants to be a smart ***, he can deal with the responses. I seriously doubt I'm the only one tired of his crap, or crap from his buddy "Ed" or "1320", either. Back off? Uh, no.

Yeah, class racers do complain about problems with class racing, considering we are actually participants, it would seem we're in a position to do so. But we don't have a habit of going to the bracket or 0.90 sections and trying to be smart asses about their side of the sport, I don't do it at all. I've bracket raced, and I've run in Super Gas and Super Comp. It's not my thing. They're using the same piece of asphalt, but they're doing their own thing. That's fine by me. I've got friends and customers who do it, and I'm happy for them, they're doing what they like. I'm not going to go on their forums and bad mouth them or what they do. By the same token, I'm not going to listen to any crap they want to dump on the class forums.

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If your stocker needs wheelie bars, put them on along with the stock bumper cover with no cutouts or notches like the rule book says and go racing. Chad and Alan, yall don't know Nathan like I do. Probably never even met him... He knows his stuff and would be the first one to help out any of you guys.

Yall have a great day, I'm going to the pool.

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Alan, Ed and Nathan aren't buddies.. trust me.

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Chris, it's like this.

Bruce made a post about wheelie bars and the fact that he was told by an NHRA offical that they were not a safety device on stockers. Pretty much an informational post for Stock racers.

A discussion began about wheelie bars being necessary for safety.

It went fairly well, until some people who do not own, drive, or crew high HP stockers capable of big wheel stands and serious damage as a result began telling everyone who does either own, drive, or crew one of those high HP cars that they didn't know what they were doing and wheelie bars were not necessary.

So now we have people who have zero direct experience with the subject at hand, telling people with decades (centuries when combined) of direct experience with the subject at hand, that they did not know what they were doing. Easy to see where it was going.

Then we have people coming in and making stupid remarks that had nothing to do with wheelie bars and safety. Your friend Nathan, in particular: "I thought that's what this board was? Every time I look at it you guys are crying about something." You want to tell me where the "suggestion", especially a helpful and knowledgable suggestion, was in his first post in this thread? Right, there was not one, he pretty much says class racers do nothing but cry. That was his contribution to the subject at hand, in a nut shell. Well, we knew where it was headed.

I'm all for listening to people who have reasonable suggestions, based on pertinent facts.

Considering what I've seen Nathan and Ed contribute to this board, I don't care whether they're buddies or not.

Here is a suggestion for Nathan, and people who complain that "Every time I look at it you guys are crying about something". If you don't like it, and you have nothing to contribute, don't read it. We won't miss you.

Yeah, class racers complain when they feel the sanctioning body gets it wrong. It's called feed back. From paying customers, and the people who support them. If we did not complain, if they knew we'd just accept what they did without question or complaint, I'm pretty sure we'd be in worse shape.

I'm headed to the track, to do some racing. Enjoy your day at the pool.

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Alan, its like this. I'm not going to argue with you. See you tomorrow though.

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Alan, I never once "began telling anyone that they didn't know what they were doing" as you stated. The debate was on Safety and Wheelie Bars! I tried to add in a different view point via another style of car beyond a Stocker stating that it "COULD" be done, and yourself and several other jumped all over me...with an attitude I might add. Things just snowballed from there. I respect anyone who own, runs, or drives a high HP Stocker......but, just because I own, run, and drive a K/S car doesn't mean I'm don't know what I'm doing, or how a Stocker works.....no matter what letter may be on the window, or what I have done in the past in other classes. I come here to learn. This forum has assisted my program tremendously over the years. That being said, in another post on this very forum they are discussing the future of class racing to include S/SS. Now, think of a brand new young kid who enters this site looking at class racing as something he wants to get into......After a few pages of this very thread, I would bet his interest might change after reading all the arguing and back and forth bitching, resulting in him or her probably being afraid to even ask his first technical question relating to class racing, or wheelie bars. Not everyone posting here cares about S/SS racing, but I do! My Stocker is being torn down and converted to a small tire Heads-Up car at the moment. One day I would like to build a A/S car or maybe a SS/GT car out of this same car. I have a combo in mind and after I have fulfilled my personal goals in the Heads-Up arena, I would like to give A/S a shot. Oh, and I plan to run it without wheelie bars in both categories.....hence the reason I entered this thread. It might work, it might not....and beyond all the bitching in this thread, I have learned what I am up against when it comes to doing this with a Stocker, vs. the Heads-Up cars I am familiar with. So to guys like Alan, Ed W. and Bruce......if you post or enter a topic on here, keep in mind that just because someone has "1320" in their screen name, doesn't mean they are an "expert", it might just mean that they are a drag racer.......just like you.

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I don't understand why people who don't currently race a stocker or super stocker get involved with posts on class racer in the s/ss section. It doesn't affect them directly at all. I could care less but why go get worked up about something when you don't even compete? Life's to short people.

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Notch,
There has been little argument between class racers about the need for wheelie bars. The problems for this thread arose when others who are not affected by the new fix it letter decided we should do things their way. Those people seemed to be offended when their positions were rejected. Then they became bitter and started heckling others by calling them the experts etc. You know what I mean? Your position on wheelie bars has been soundly defeated on this forum. Deal with it.

I think all of us who are affected by this rule should sign a letter requesting the repeal of this rule. We could probably do it right here if it is OK with Ken.

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1320, do you think Tony needs wheelie bars? Tom

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On this forum, the only correct answer is YES Tom. Discussing it further would only add more drama. Love the car though!!!

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lol!

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Bruce,

I do have a question for you concerning the notches. How is the dated deadline from NHRA sent out to the racers to ensure everyone is aware of the rule change/clarification? I didn't see it on any of the divisional pages. Beyond the folks who frequent this forum, and the people who have been talked to directly by NHRA officials, how is this handled?

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If I was in Tony's car for that one, I would say wheelie bars and some new undies! LOL!

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During my first call to nhra, on the issue of notches, Pat said that he had participated in a conference call with the srac about this problem. Jeff Teuton should be able to share info on the conference call.

Pat said the letters for correction were a bit premature and for me to sit tight until they got things in order. I asked about posting this information and he asked me not to post until they had it straightened out. I told a friend about this conversation with Pat and he told me not to trust anything Pat said. I thought this seems simple enough to straighten out so I waited. Then the second letter arrived stating that the notches must be repaired by 8-28-13 and I called Pat again and found a much different guy on the phone this time. He was spouting off about wheelie bars and then could not offer any remedies for our concerns. I concluded that he needed to get out to the race track more often. And I now understand that there are folks who are working on getting this problem corrected. We'll wait and see.

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No wheelie bars

First hit

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...20549999_o.jpg

2nd hit - 1 flat tighter on the front, and bit less clutch (nothing else changed)

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.n...75860474_n.jpg


Just saying. :)

That said......I do think I'm going to finally put them on the car though cause I like wheelies!!!

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You can also dial power in or out on the stating line (turbo). And yes, I've worked on a fast turbo car, and done just that.

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As you said they are two completely different setups.

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Absolutely. And I have the added advantage of having and 4 cylinder motor, that makes about 100hp with no boost.....so my power is totally controllable from basically nothing to 1200hp. However, the 2 compared pictures above, power was not changed.

But I'd rather bring it all in at the hit instead of 300 feet out. So like I said, I'm probably going to be putting bars on it soon, and bigger tires. :)

Bruce, they are. I was just making an example as my car is a super stock car. Not by the traditional sense, but it still is.

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What's notches gonna hurt ...No worse than 9", 12bolts and powerglides. on a scale from 1 to 10 , i'd say it would be a 20..........Some of these cars will not perform to its peak without the wheels in the air.............

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Carey,

I realize your car runs in SS and they have all sorts of wild combinations. But, I don't see any connection between your car and a Stocker.

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There isn't any connection. But there is no connection with any of the others that have posted pics of cars on their bumper in refernce to safety. You can put any car with a bit of power on the bumper if you want too. Just like you can get any car to leave without wheelie bars.

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You can't have it both ways Carey. Spin as hard as you like but there is no way of spinning this story to meet your current position. Your car and Stockers have very different launch requirements to be competitive and we can argue this point forever. The simple truth is wheelie bars provide safety to racers and staff and simple little notches to the rear valance pose no threat to anyone.

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Boosted,
when you say "one more flat on the front adjustment", are you referring to a front-end travel limiter? If so, those are illegal on a Stocker.