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SStockDart 09-05-2013 01:09 AM
Re: You got to be kidding?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ed Wright (Post 398355)
How ya doing in the points, Mr Wonderful?
Ed, he is 26th out of 54 that bracket race at his track. Not bad, he is in the top half and he is there every week (his words).... A couple of years ago, I finished top 10 with my 6 cylinder Jeep Cherokee, and only raced 4 races of pro bracket racing at our local strip. I'm not saying my Cherokee is faster....I'm just saying. I could have finished in the top 5 put my AC kicked on in the finals of the last race and I couldn't run the number. It is amazing how many things can screw you up when you are bracket racing.

1320racer 09-05-2013 04:37 AM
Re: You got to be kidding?
 
that's your problem, you assume and think you know and where I am in points has nothing to do with header tethers. But if you must know, I'm at Numidia every points weekend except for those weekends that I am on the road with my son so he can compete at the IHRA Finals at MIR, the ECF at Bristol and the NHRA Division 1 Finals at Mason Dixon. Oh and he ain't leading the points, he's the track champion as he was last year.

Don't care what you did at your duck pond in bum f-ck, it ain't numidia dragway which boosts back to back team championships(2011 - 2012) as well the 2010 Super and 2012 Pro ET winners(same guy too, different cars) and without question home the toughest bracket racers in all of nhra division 1.

Quote:
Originally Posted by SStockDart (Post 398349)
Hey Ed, I am sure that you have a nice car......you refer to it as a "rocket" and you don't want to turn it into a "turd"......do you realize that their are stockers on 9" tires that are much faster than your so called rocket.
show me one. Again you assume and think you know. I'll save you the trouble, there ain't one! The quickest and fastest Stocker is an '08 Mustang that ran 8.89 @ 154.14, 13 months ago at Maple Grove!

Pedigo Perf 09-05-2013 06:45 AM
Re: You got to be kidding?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1320racer (Post 398395)

I'll save you the trouble, there ain't one! The quickest and fastest Stocker is an '08 Mustang that ran 8.89 @ 154.14, 13 months ago at Maple Grove!
This was at Indy in crappy air:

FS/DC Bill Skillman, Greenwood IN, '13 Mustang 8.834

1320racer 09-05-2013 06:54 AM
Re: You got to be kidding?
 
Indy was days ago, my info was from ND as of 8/23/13 and there still ain't one that's "much faster" than my "rocket" despite costing far more than my junk but none of this has to do with collector tethers that are now required! The whiners need to get over it and pay your $!

Pedigo Perf 09-05-2013 07:12 AM
Re: You got to be kidding?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1320racer (Post 398400)
Indy was days ago, my info was from ND as of 8/23/13 and there still ain't one that's "much faster" than my "rocket" despite costing far more than my junk but none of this has to do with collector tethers that are now required! The whiners need to get over it and pay your $!
It was your quote in my post! You don't post the facts.
Some of us find your personality disorder entertaining however

1320racer 09-05-2013 07:15 AM
Re: You got to be kidding?
 
what part of the truth and the facts don't you like?:p

IvanP 09-05-2013 07:42 AM
Re: You got to be kidding?
 
So, anyway...back to the topic at hand, but slightly away from it...

The NHRA rulebook states that only cars equipped with an exhaust requiring a tether must adhere to the rule next year. What about motorcycles? I noticed a PSM racer lost part of it's exhaust well past half track during qualifying last week at the U.S. Nats.
Just wondering.

Ivan.

buzzinhalfdozen 09-05-2013 10:03 AM
Re: You got to be kidding?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1320racer (Post 398236)
buzzinhalfdozen aka class racer's resident moron, I mean "master tech" continues to try and entertain us.
Ed, I'm proud to be a "master tech" since you have NO knowledge of what is required to diagnose and repair todays modern vehicles, your opinion as usual is meaningless. Yeah I'm prolly in posession of a 6th grade education however good reasoning skills, proper training and alot of common sense has allowed me to become an asset to both General Motors as well as my employer. Actually I'm not trying to "entertain" anyone, though I do get a small amount of amusement out of the fact that when you get called out on an inaccurate statement you NEVER have a valid reponse, mere a childish quip.

1320racer 09-05-2013 10:40 AM
Re: You got to be kidding?
 
Scott, if required, even I will be buying a pair from you.;)

Jeff Lee 09-05-2013 01:17 PM
Re: You got to be kidding?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by CollectorTethers.com (Post 398414)
Thought I would post these up for everyone to see. While you may or may not like the rule, price and or product we have had great response over the past two weekends at the race track (BG D3 Race and the US Nationals in INDY).

We spoke to a lot of people who had similar negative initial opinions and once they saw the product on the cars, how clean it looks and how simple it was had a 360 degree opinion.

We know you will have options, but if you choose to go with a tethering system, we hope you will choose Collector Tethers

Thanks,
Scott Lemen

http://www.dragraceresults.com/image...mples%2096.jpg
Using these parts as a guideline, when you break down the parts it is $190 if bought separately and that does not include the tethers. And although I'm sure resourceful racers could price these parts out cheeper, it won't be that much cheaper.
Yes I'm sure there is a cheaper way but all-in-all, it bites but in kit form it's probably not horrible.

Maverick 09-05-2013 02:54 PM
Re: You got to be kidding?
 
I can see where these teathers are needed on some cars, then ones where the collector is hanging off of the collector, with no other support. I think these people need teathers. When we built my car, when it came to headers and collectors, we have a clamp around the collector or muffler which bolts to the frame. Adding a teather to my car is redundant. It is not going to provide any more safety. I wonder what will happen when a collector comes off, and is teathered on a car like a super comp dragster, and now it is swinging around in the air as the car is going down the strip. All the pictures of the above, I agree need teathers, if fact I thing they need to be double teathered, to make sure they stay on. This is only two hundred dollars, but here we go again, where some one build something to be light and gain a advantage, and we all have to pay. Steve Williams S/G

Jim Caughlin 09-05-2013 07:23 PM
Re: You got to be kidding?
 
It would seem to me that as 90% + of headers are under chassis and if a collector falls off, it pretty much just slides down the track. The obvious offender would be down swept dragster headers that exit in front of the slicks. Aren't we all being punished for a design that doesn't apply to most. Why not just specify that a tether is required if the collector protrudes out in front of the tire. Not going to win this argument but as a header fabricator who is going to have to suffer with this change, I'm thinking that this is a knee jerk response to an isolated incident.

Jim Caughlin
SS 6019

boster 09-05-2013 07:30 PM
Re: You got to be kidding?
 
1320 , not to bust anyone's balls my 2008 CJ ran 8.78@155 at 3510 lbs at the atco race in april 2013 . But to tell the truth Holbrooks CJ is the fastest in the country . That car can run 8.50 in east coast air at 3500lbs

keith ohanesian 09-05-2013 08:51 PM
Re: You got to be kidding?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1320racer (Post 398395)
that's your problem, you assume and think you know and where i am in points has nothing to do with header tethers. But if you must know, i'm at numidia every points weekend except for those weekends that i am on the road with my son so he can compete at the ihra finals at mir, the ecf at bristol and the nhra division 1 finals at mason dixon. Oh and he ain't leading the points, he's the track champion as he was last year.

Don't care what you did at your duck pond in bum f-ck, it ain't numidia dragway which boosts back to back team championships(2011 - 2012) as well the 2010 super and 2012 pro et winners(same guy too, different cars) and without question home the toughest bracket racers in all of nhra division 1.


Show me one. Again you assume and think you know. I'll save you the trouble, there ain't one! The quickest and fastest stocker is an '08 mustang that ran 8.89 @ 154.14, 13 months ago at maple grove!
tool!

Greg Hill 09-05-2013 09:52 PM
Re: You got to be kidding?
 
I have never seen a collector fall off when it's held on at two different places. I had one fall off a couple of years ago when it was being he'd by one tab and the weld broke. If you mandated two different places for the collector to be held on to the header I think you would solve any problem you have.

Ed Fernandez 09-05-2013 11:33 PM
Re: You got to be kidding?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maverick (Post 398486)
I can see where these teathers are needed on some cars, then ones where the collector is hanging off of the collector, with no other support. I think these people need teathers. When we built my car, when it came to headers and collectors, we have a clamp around the collector or muffler which bolts to the frame. Adding a teather to my car is redundant. It is not going to provide any more safety. I wonder what will happen when a collector comes off, and is teathered on a car like a super comp dragster, and now it is swinging around in the air as the car is going down the strip. All the pictures of the above, I agree need teathers, if fact I thing they need to be double teathered, to make sure they stay on. This is only two hundred dollars, but here we go again, where some one build something to be light and gain a advantage, and we all have to pay. Steve Williams S/G
No problemo.Said manufacturerer will come out with a new product.The Tether- Teather.Think about it.And of course the boys in Glendora will get their vig on it.

Bernie Cunningham 09-06-2013 01:02 AM
Re: You got to be kidding?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim Caughlin (Post 398510)
It would seem to me that as 90% + of headers are under chassis and if a collector falls off, it pretty much just slides down the track. The obvious offender would be down swept dragster headers that exit in front of the slicks. Aren't we all being punished for a design that doesn't apply to most. Why not just specify that a tether is required if the collector protrudes out in front of the tire. Not going to win this argument but as a header fabricator who is going to have to suffer with this change, I'm thinking that this is a knee jerk response to an isolated incident.

Jim Caughlin
SS 6019
Jim,
I reckon ya got it right, except for the fact that it's an insurance 'Knee jerk' reaction, I think it comes from a cry-baby law suit that they cant handle. ie , gotta pay.
Let's face the facts, NHRA is broke and has been for the last 6-7 years. ( Bruce, chime in if ya want) !

What do ya do ? Ya gotta cut cost's and ya liabilities.

MR. Lawyer says there is a proven case for tethers on headers cause ONE person complained and made some quick cash and that set's the precedent, game over !

buzzinhalfdozen 09-06-2013 09:55 AM
Re: You got to be kidding?
 
[QUOTE=1320racer;396580]I'm no fan of scott lemen but you can't blame him for trying to make a buck. There's now a need and he's the first to offer an NHRA accepted tether. If you think you can do better, get them NHRA accepted and sell them for less, have at it.


http://www.dragraceresults.com/fulls...id=4965&type=2[/QUO This, first 6 words of post.

buzzinhalfdozen 09-06-2013 09:59 AM
Re: You got to be kidding?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1320racer (Post 398434)
Scott, if required, even I will be buying a pair from you.;)
To this, somebodies got a syndrome! Maybe such you're such a respected engine, chassis, oh hell everything expert he'll set you up with a sponsorship.


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