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Why would Wally Parks be upset that NHRA does not want its members doing anything that encourages street racing?

Jim

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Jim, that is exactly what this is about. Very well said. That should end
this thread, and allow everybody time to work on their cars for this
season's fun and enjoyment. After all, isn't that why we do this?
J.R. Haddad.

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IMO, NHRA is mad about the television exposure Street Outlaws are getting.

Here's an example. Kingman Street Drags in Kingman, AZ. I believe it started in 2001, they ran around 9 races on main street Kingman. It was well advertised at the NHRA tracks & other media. While it got plenty of exposure, but only got a little television exposure at one of the ending events.

There was plenty of NHRA racer's/vehicles participating all them years from CA. NV. AZ. & I'm sure other states.

While it was very popular, it wasn't close to Street Outlaw's popularity.

We were racing on the street, practically in NHRA's Headquarters' backyard. Did they do anything about that, not that I know of! Same situation, but way less media exposure. Sounds pretty hypocritical on NHRA's part.

This is just my opinion, not that it matters.

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Do a simple search of "Kingman Street Drags" & see what comes up. LOL!

NHRA only pays attention to what meets their agenda!

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I guess the people with tunnel vision will continue to spew. The NHRA
see's a show getting a national audience with their decals & permanent
numbers displayed on the cars, and being as they promote safety and
getting it off the streets, they do not want their property displayed on
these venues. The local venue you mention didn't get an audience worth
worrying about. They don't have the time to chase every street race in
America. I have no problem with the message of doing it on the track, in
a safer, controlled environment. It might be one of us or our loved one's
whose life is saved.
J.R.

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Hey we all do our share of spewing. I agree with NHRA about illegal street racing, but where do you draw the line. I'm sure most of us have done it in some shape or form. Whether it be from a simple stop light to stop light deal.

Seems like Kingman Street Drags had 10,000 - 20,000 spectator's depending on the year. Plus, had media coverage of on Fox Sports News at least one year that I know for sure, if not more.

I see your point, NHRA's & other's, just because your spewing doesn't agree with other's spewing. That makes you right. So, who has the tunnel vision.

Maybe you work for NHRA or bucking for a job.

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I have never seen the show and don't care to. But I will tell you this. When your brother is killed by a couple idiots illegal street racing you will feel a lot different about it.


JUST ASK ME! I would be glad to tell you what it feels like to bury your brother after he is killed by a couple of idiots that are racing thier junk on the street.

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I'm looking at kingman street drag pictures. Sure does look like they are promoting safe LEGAL Street racing. NOT the total opposite like SO. If you can't tell the difference, I don't know what to tell you.

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It's still street racing! So where should NHRA draw the line?

Street Outlaws is legal when they draw the permits for their main races & maybe they do that for their test hits also.

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NHRA is not regulating anybodies off-track behavior anyway. They are regulating who races with them. Fully within their rights. And street racing is stupid. Cars are much faster than they were when NHRA started, and there is much more traffic. Fifteen seconds flat was not a real slow street car back then. In 1962 I held the track record at the Tulsa North Airport track with my '56 Chevy at 15.10, 92 MPH. You can buy new pickup trucks faster than that now. Cars weren't all that fast when Wally may have raced on the street.

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I just don't know what to tell you. You can't see the difference in the total message of the two? All you see is Street, so it must be the same thing. I can't help you

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I see the differences, but NHRA wants drag racing done on the track period! So it doesn't matter to them how it's done on the street. So, it's the same in NHRA's eyes. Total message, NHRA does what they want & our opinions right or wrong doesn't matter. :)

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Hagen, you're right, he doesn't get it. J.R.

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You two are right, just like Obama thinks he's right.

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Obama is on the Left dude.

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what does the President have to do with your argument; you r starting to sound stupid

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The President thinks he's always right just like Hagan & J.R. think they are right on the subject. It seems like many below are disagreeing.

In the other thread, "NHRA response to letters sent" thread. "comments and messages sent directly to DRAG ILLUSTRATED would indicate a substantial divide on the matter—a near 50/50 split, in fact."

It seem like a pretty even split to me. I agree with NHRA's side on this one.

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It looks like at least one of the Street Outlaws is a real street racer in L. A.
CA . He might be gone a long time !

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He isn't part of the show; just some more bad information. He hangs out with one of the Cali racers that appeared on the show.That's a far cry from being part of the show. More media getting the facts wrong; figure they mention show, story will go national. Which it did.

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These pictures tell a very different story. Looks like he is racing ON THE SHOW!!! Just more Bad information..... right? Wow, get a grip on reality.

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Now that is funny, considering the context of the show!

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March 13-14 IHRA Nitro Jam Mardi Gras Nationals To Host Trio Of Special Guests :

.....Tina Pierce has been racing for six years. She drives her 2000 Chevrolet S-10 on the streets of Oklahoma, then brings it to the track to race. She has won several awards at her local track and also appeared at Hot Rod Drag Week 2014. Pierce did very well, finishing fifth in the Unlimited class and fourth in the Heads-up Shootout. Tina was the gatekeeper (No. 10 spot) on the Street Outlaws television series. Ironically, she was forced to leave the show because she was pregnant with her second child at the time. Pierce continues to race all around Oklahoma, Texas, Kansas and Arkansas. The Street Outlaws star will be the special guest of Crower and will sign autographs and make exhibition passes in her pro truck.


NHRA sends threatening letters and IHRA invites them to a Nitro Jam race....go figure.

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If a drag racer gets caught molesting a child, would it be okay for NHRA to tell him to stay away from the track? Or would that be a case of NHRA regulating off-track behavior?

Just wondering what, if any, off track behavior os okay for NHRA to block from the races.

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Darrell Alderman was suspended by NHRA for a year, regarding his substance abuse issues.

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Actually, two years, Jerry (he sat out 1992 and '93) for cocaine.

This is no different than other major sports leagues (NFL, NHL, MLB etc) that punish players for off-field legal/behavior issues. I don't see any issue with what NHRA did.

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[QUOTE=jwsamuel;464297]If a drag racer gets caught molesting a child, would it be okay for NHRA to tell him to stay away from the track? Or would that be a case of NHRA regulating off-track behavior?



I would ask him personally to quit drag racing completely.

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[quote=Joseph Teuton;464304]I agree. In an environment that children are present, the person should be allowed in the premises.

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Its IHRA but there is a loser out in NC that is banned for this exact reason. And I agree with it.

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Yes, he's on the suspended list "indefinitely"

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What did NHRA do in Gene Snow's case? nothing right?

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I agree. So then, the question becomes what off track behavior can NHRA (or IHRA) use as a basis for barring drivers from racing?

Sexual abuse? I think we would all agree with that. Spousal abuse? Dealing drugs? Drunk driving? Robbery? Street racing?

Jim

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Overall in society, companies, organizations, media, and the public seem to have forgotten we have a legal system to deal with these issues. Some might argue, but the US legal system is the best in the world. (Just ask Amanda Knox about the Italian system).I would just like to see us let the courts/legal system play out before any organization or our employers think they need to take action. Take the recent situation with Kurt Busch for example: He has been through the legal system in Delaware now and was not charged. He is free and clear to go on with life, but the know it all people running NASCAR have him on some sort of BS reinstatement program. Why does NASCAR feel that is necessary when he has done nothing that warrants criminal prosecution?
God forbid if any one of us got into a bad situation, wouldn't you all just like to have your day in court as opposed to having a few people at NHRA, the media, or someone like the NFL Commissioner decide your fate when a jury of your peers finds you did nothing wrong?

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That happens all the time in the business world. If you are accused of doing something that is a black mark for the company you work for, chances are you'll be fired long before you get your day in court.

The legal system deals only with our Constitutional rights. There is no right to drag race and no right to continue holding the job you have now. NHRA is a private organization and has no legal or constitutional requirement to allow people to participate when they exhibit behavior that it believes is contrary to what it stands for. Hell, Coke has fired people for being seen in public drinking Pepsi.

Jim

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Jim,

the key word you used in your last post is "accused".

The court of public opinion, media, commissioners, employers, or whoever seem to have started confusing the term accused with guilty. If you are proven guilty, then you are more that likely guilty. If you are simply accused, that in no way means you are guilty...until proven so by court, company investigations, etc. My problem is that too many organizations jump to conclusions based upon someone's opinion, media pressure, or are just on a power trip and assume you are guilty just because you are accused.

If the guys on Street Outlaws were employees of NHRA, it would be one thing, but they are customers of NHRA. As a matter of fact, people who are members of NHRA pay to do so, and since NHRA or IHRA certainly do not pay us to race, why do you think they can tell someone what to do while not at an official event? I am not condoning street racing in any manner, but it seems as though NHRA has brought more interest to it after they made the poor choice to call out those who were participating in the show.

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Again, NHRA is not telling anyone what they can or can't do outside of an event. They are telling them that if they continue to actively promote ILLEGAL and UNSAFE street racing to millions of people, then they will not be a part of this organization that is based on promoting SAFE and LEGAL racing. End of Story. So, Go ahead and be a major star on the Discovery Channel, but You ain't racing here. I thought the dude who killed two spectators at an ILLEGAL street race proved why they cannot be associated with people on the show. When I tell people I drag race, I don't want them to think I act like these fools. So, I applaud NHRA.

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Hagen You Are Correct My Friend!! Street Racing Is Not Drag Racing. All The Time The Local Paper Will Wright Two Were Killed Drag Racing On The Street.And I Will Call The Paper And Tell Them That Was Not Drag Racing!!!!!!! That Was Two Punks Racing On The Street.It Is Not The Same Thing. Drag Racing Is Racing That Is Done At The Track.

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Hagen and Sammy are exactly correct. NHRA did nothing to anybodie's RIGHTS. Only their PRIVILEGE of racing with NHRA. That is NHRA's RIGHT.

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There is a big difference between actually commiting a crime and being on a TV show. I have no problem with NHRA banning criminals, but banning folks on a show that has better ratings,seems kind of a jerk move.

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From what ive read some of you have openly admitted to have street raced. Pot meet kettle comes to mind, but yet you still have a NHRA license

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What many are missing is the principle behind all this. Although the show is entertainment, it encourages illegal street racing.

Although many of us may not agree with the rule changes and policies from NHRA, the association was created to provide a safe place and environment for racing.

Like Sammy said, every time there is an accident or crash involving the loss of life due to racing in the streets, the first statement used by the news media is "Drag Racing".

It is interesting that after NHRA issued the admonishment, an accident takes place with the loss of life in which one of the participants of the show was charged.

This show can also instill the advent of street racing by irresponsible parties, especially here in the Pacific Northwest were the import clubs do racing in nearby residential streets with the risk of taking the life of an innocent driver or even a close family member.

I can see NHRA's liability issue if a racer is wearing an NHRA logo on him on in his car. Doing so in the court of law can be construed as implied endorsement by the entity if the show producers have not signed a release of liability with NHRA.