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Hey Toby, you and Jody have some clout, get NHRA to re look at a vote again. I'm with you buddy.

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BS, they're still winning and driving the finish line.
Holding the tree, slow staging, special rules that's why it was voted down.
The majority were and are shallow staging, deep staging was and is a minority.

Make deep part of the timing system where an opponent won't need to know or adjust thier staging process or see a light go out.

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Billy Nees posted a reply to my Post #86; "Umm, Ron it's time for your meds."

Thank you Billy for your concern, I am really not sure what happened. I was sitting there reading this thread eating a Snickers bar, then suddenly I went on this rant after reading Dan Fletcher and James Perrone observations and opinions. I responded with;

"According to your last statement Mr. Fletcher, this subject should come to an abrupt end. Between you and Perrone the smoke and mirrors of this subject has become clear.

I'll worry about me and you guys worry about me and my world is way more fun.

I worry about you and you worry about you and I'll watch you race the next round."

What I should have said was "I don't care what you do, mind your own business" Then I went on a rampage describing all the different complaints I have read and condensed into a run and return to my pit area.

Quote
"If I want to confuse someone, I'll roll in both lights and continue through, then back into the bulb. I'll then try to go red and hope you do to, but by a worst margin. While going down track I will veer over close to your lane suddenly (to get a closer look for decision making). just before I get to the finish line I will slam on the brakes to smoke my tires violently. Get to the end of the track, turn around and stop to dump some fluids out, wait for my friends so I can give them some lead that I accidentally found and then proceed past the scales and back into them as I some how forgot to weigh. I'll get into a discussion about the validity of my fuel, start complaining about everybody else, how they are illegal and a bunch of whiners. I'll go back to my pit area in the back forty and wait for the papers to be served for my drug & alcohol testing with a beer in hand."

I apologize if I have confused anyone and I will not be eating any more Snickers, with beer at least. BTW, I do not take any medication that is not organic. And yes, I don't care what you do, mind your own business.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA caring for what people think.

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Damn snickers......lol

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Ron, peanut allergy?

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No allergy, just nuts.

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were they deez

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Actually, quite a few North Carolinian bracket racers go DEEP...some of them in 6.4 and quicker cars.


As a shallow stager in everything I race (including an 18.xx second pickup truck) I have never tried the deep staging thing...and it never bothers me when the guy in the other lane is going deep. Even in the Pinto, which is definitely a "slow stocker" by all accounts of the definition. However, I do think it is strange for this process to be completely outlawed in this class. But I wasn't an active driver yet whenever these rules came about...I was still just cutting my teeth in the Jr. Dragster ranks so when I raced stock for the first time I understood that the rule was such.

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Hey Ellis,...I was watching my buddy Bob Mullaney,at Piedmount over Thanksgiving
On Motormania.Bob was just one of many that we're going deep as you said in fast cars.P.S. In 1998 Bob was the Division 1 stock champ,driving a 13.80 wagon.Going Deep and a 2 step( cheater)....correct me if I'm wrong ..but I believe it maybe the slowest car to win the Division....Also it was a car I was proud to be part of.....Joe Mocci

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Joe, the car Bucks was running at Piedmont was mine. We doubled it and he got down to 6 cars in the 20k on Saturday and got down to 10 cars Sunday in the 5k when they split due to rain. As expected, Bob was a machine and yes, he and I were deep. Most of the guys there were deep and the 20k winner was also. It's really just car and driver preference as to who does what. Yes you can be very good shallow, no doubt but a lot of footbrake bracket guys prefer deep.

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Hey John you and Tracy have a Merry Christmas...

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Bob Mullaney is one of the best ever on the starting line!! He can deep stage a 6 flat car. I don't deep stage nor do I mind it. I respect anyone that can be that patient.

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Bob, has DEEP staged a 5.70 car and won big $ doing it.

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The bracket guys just put some more delay in the box when they deep stage. The delay box lets them adjust to most any situation unlike us true bottom bulb racers that don't use or the rules wont allow a delay box. Its still a game of numbers. Better reaction time and closer to the dial will win every time no matter how you stage or how much MPH your car has.

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Mike, I believe you are mistaken about this. This subject I took it was footbrakers who deep stage not delay box racers. Every time I watched Bob on TV he was footbraking and always deep staged. I Deep stage my street car and I have problems at one of the tracks that will not honor the time to deep stage. I don't mean dragging your feet, I mean on the converter before the first light is lit and constant roal forward untill deep. The time given to some deepstagers on TV would not work at my track. But, I would not outlaw it at all. Put it on the window and stage up. I remember the saying "Deep Staging in Not a Crime" Take care.

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Deep staging also makes your et show up slower. You can run a hundredth or more (Depending on the car, tires, etc) faster than your dial and it doesn't show up. Hard to beat somebody actually breaking out a hundredth, but not showing on the clocks, in a close race.
That is the only complaint I ever heard about it. A fast reacting SS car can't get a green light deep staging. I don't think anybody really cares how long it takes the other car to stage. Some guys, probably just to annoy the other guy, screw around and take a long time to stage shallow.

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Correct me here but how can u go faster and it not show?? Deep staging can kill a tenth of et but it's gonna show..
Everyone that doesn't like it don't understand. Others are just confused!
I don't deep stage at all. At these big money races they cater to the deep stager by no auto start. The shallow stagers are on a timer. My only complaint.

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what you are stating makes no sense and is no more true for DEEP stagers than it is for shallow stagers that HOLD. As philbilly has stated, for the cars in this discussion, the difference in 60 foot and ET from shallow to deep is typically between .09 and a tenth.
Again, not true.

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My car would be way red leaving on the flash of the bulb if deep staged. I am typically .010 - 020 shallow staged with a 3 inch button with no shim on the flash of the bottom bulb using a blinder. I adjust the leave chip to adjust to the tree.

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So, you think deep staging actually slows the car? Really? It looks slower on the clocks. Doesn't take one bit longer to get down the track. And, it is not near a tenth with my car.
Maybe a slow enough car. Can't do it now anyway, so doesn't really matter. Right?

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Ed, you figured it out. It don't matter. It won't happen anyway. Sorta like Obama doing something constructive. It ain't goanna happen.

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Clueless...

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So, you think it actually slows you car down? LOL

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Jeff, Did you vote against deep staging in the original bogus poll?
Did the SRA come out against it?
If so...why?

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Why was it bogus, Mark?

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x10

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Already been over this ground, Ed
Page 1, post 3

Page 5, # 50

Page 8, # 72

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The most surprising part of this whole post was that someone was actually offended that deep stagers do a quick burnout and get deep staged in a fast manner. I thought this was considered the courteous thing to do by deep stagers.

I think I'll deep stage my bracket car next year now that I know that it will fluster so many people.

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again...CLUELESS

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Always thought that of you. Just. Big head.
Can't deep stage now, so it doesn't matter

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Big head whose cars are better built, quicker/faster than yours! The fact that DEEP staging was outlawed by the vocal minority, your statements about it prove you don't have a clue same as many to it's effect on reaction time, 60 foot and ET.

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Ed Wright you may understand the mechanics of a race car. But you do not understand the concept of deep staging and how it affects rt and et at all.

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that's debatable too based on some of his replies here.

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Just to mention an article done in a magazine in the 70s I believe. It tested the et affects of a standing start, running start or rolling start. The first revolution of the tire is the most costly et wise. So I suggest that shallow staging takes the most of that portion of your et out of the actual recorded time. Deep staging causes your recorded time to include more of that slow rotation but you break the beam relatively earlier in your progress forward which makes the slow rotation part of your et. I am not sure how this would affect your race or cause you to look slow compared to dial in.

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The best advice I can give the Deep guys is to contact your SRAC representative, put it to a vote with everyone that has raced in stock or super stock in the past couple years. Maybe a little PR campaign before the vote to educate people. Or if you can get the right person behind you wouldn't even need the vote. Otherwise this is just another useless debate clogging up the airwaves and taking up bandwidth!

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yea, but it shows just how many don't have a clue!

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It makes your et appear slower than shallow staging. It does not actually slow the car. If you have to do that to go rounds you need to work harder.

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Sorry to interrupt the party...............haven't posted on this broad in long time, (gee,I wonder why).

Just wishing everyone a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New year!!

Carry on with your deep thoughts, very educational and most entertaining.

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Cooter, Your response is correct and well taken.

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It does not appear to make your et slower, it actually does make your et slower. Understanding rollout and how it affects et and rt are like the basics. Deep staging and why they do it has nothing to do with what you are implying.