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MJ you missed the diving trunks, they were a boys size 7.

Class racing is heads-up, the elimination part of it is kind of a filler but its still fun. If I go red I loose its how its played. If its not your cup of tea, try something else.

Tell Fred happy birthday for me.

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But since there IS the "elimination part".........it should be fair to all.

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Here's a question. When any of you guys or gals race in a heads up round (car in the same class as you) and both red light do you allow the worst red light to be the loser? I already know what the answer is but wondering why worst light is a excepted way of winning. As some of you guys say It's a performance based class and red lights should be disallowed by your thought process. It's ok to win in a heads up by worst red light but not wanted when using shoe polish. Sounds like some of you get your cake and eat it to

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I doubt that you are ever going to see it implemented in Stock, Super Stock or Comp. NHRA is driven by sponsors and money. Chrysler, GM and Ford want their fast cars at the top with every advantage to win. Money talks, it ain't gonna happen. Look at NHRA, their past relationship with Chrysler and the Hemi cars. Enough said.

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Good point but technically worst in this case would also be the first redlight.

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Agreed!! Crybabies who knew the rules when they signed on but now want them changed. Grow up, man up and go to work. If you don't like where you are, build a car in a class with a better advantage.

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Hi,

The issue isn't a fast car vs. a slow car.....

It's a faster car racing a slower car....

Such as V/S vs. V/SA.....

I wonder how some of your justifications work now???????

It looks like that overpowered V/S car will have to face traction problems, not a clean tree, blah, blah, blah.....

I believe that the statement "There's none so blind as those who will not see" is true.....

Blah, blah, blah.............

Bob

PS:
I meant no disrespect to V/S & V/SA owners, drivers or crew. I was just trying to make a point

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The title of the Thread says it all. Level the playing field...Why is it that the FAST cars want all the advantages ?? And now We are crybabys ??

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I think I'll work harder on getting true start adopted. It's easier and cheaper then building a faster class car. Off to work I go.

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No, No , No. Thats not it @ all. Yeah I knew the rules when I started & continued in this. I AM working on my combo. The opportunity to IMPROVE the existing sytem has been presented, and I would be in favor of it. I'm not marching in the streets, threatening to sue or whining up a storm. I just came in from the Garage. The car I have and the class I'm in is the quickest that I have the ability to support. And I like it. :eek: :D

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And you don't work on your car either, you have to grow up! LOL!

What's next, if it's not a mustang/Camaro/challenger than it doesn't belong in a "performance" class?
"hey boy, you know a 6 cyl wagon ain't no performance veehickle doncha? Get that crap outa the way for a Camaro with a BB". LOL!

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Hate to say it, but when I started racing, the tree was 5 yellow bulbs. No reaction timers, right lane spotted the left and one dial in for the day. With all the changes that has gone on with the tree, I think that this TruSTART is the best innovation that has come about. The change is for the best, if not, lets go back to no clocks other then the finish line and one dial for the day.

Casey Miles
248H Stock

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The guys that normally leave last won't like it. They are losing an advantage. "Build a faster car!" LMBO

They would not be at a disadvantage, be honest about it. I both leave first & last. I have to admit that I kinda enjoy that advantage when I leave last. It's fine with me, either way. Hard to honestly say it would be unfair to change it, right?

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Hi Casey,

I've been around a while too

When I started racing we had a red and green bulb and the starter staged you......

I moved to California and got started a by Native American with a head dress at Fremont.

I remember a flag man standing 100' down track in order to get the handicaps right..

I remember going to that new 5 yellow bulb tree....

That was then and this is now..........

Why not use the technology that have???????????

To also look at the bright side this change of rules, it will be without cost


Bob

PS:
Unless NHRA can figure out a way to charge the sportsman racer

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Will probably be a 10% entry fee increase for racers that aren`t required to wear fire pants or jackets.

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I think the faster cars will be getting an advantage in this system too. When I am chasing I'll tend to sneak a quick peek at the other guy's bulb once he leaves.

Under TruSTART, there will be nothing to see there so no reason to lose focus on my bulb.

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Just the ones that wear board shorts and surfer shirts!:p

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Hmmm, sounds familiar!

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Maybe just pay a fine only by worst red driver when activated in a double redlight run. Only the guilty driver to pay. ( insert sarcasm before someone goes off the deep end )

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Look at the two men putting this in action, multiple championships, many wins, they do not drive slow cars. Let's follow their lead and level the playing field.

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I applauud your personal ethics, Mr. 4406 Mopar, whoever you are.

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Ok, I read all of this and it makes my head hurt!! I like the theory of tru-start... well kinda!
Can we all agree racing is gambling using our cars right?? So wouldn't it be a better move if this tru-start deal does come to all of handicapped racing to change it up a tad further and not use a red or green light at all. Hear me out here..
Not having a red or green light you will still race to win whether its taking or giving the stripe or whatever bracket racing shenanagans you use and put your best effort into every round. If you or both of you red light you find out when you see or don't see your win light come on and you get your time slip. By doing it this way we are truly GAMBLING on the race and our driving ability. This will end the red light coming on after the slower driver sees a confusing light coming on when they leave the line, or a light coming on when the faster car leaves. This is just crazy to me!!
I remember days of old bracket racing at National Trails and having to pay a dollar for them to write the reaction time on the time card. its was a tool to help guys who lost all the time figure out why they were not winning.
I say if tru-start comes to be then lets embrace it, learn from it, and be better racers for it!!

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It's about selling tech cards.

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I think blackjack should be the same way if I get 22 I'm only one over talk to vegas for me

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Unfortunately there will always be the perception of "someone else has an advantage"
This tru start does not change the fact the slow car has to start first, possibly make the red light first. It does not prevent the fast car from controlling the race with the throttle or brake.( some might complain the slow car can do the same)
In the spirit of the break out win to the least amount "out", it seems perfectly reasonable that the win should go to the "least red" if it happens. (statistically low number). Display of the results to the racer after the finish line seems most reasonable. Bigger lane lights on the guard rail would be reasonable and Score board Win light for spectators...
For those who have worried so much about the "fairness" of current method maybe this would quiet their fear of it happening. (despite the facts of low rate of it happening)
This would help Heads up racing too.

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How about just using an instant green light system? No amber lights at all. Would that not alleviate 99% of all red light starts and make it fair for all competitors?

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NHRA 1926,LOL,yes there would be no redlites unless a driver left early lol,but you forget 1 thing reaction times vary between car and driver .A dragster and drivers reaction time is faster than a slower car and slower cars drivers reaction time,unless slower car is deep stagged .This would give the harder leaving car a advantage on reaction time which in most cases wins the race.The race would be a race too get the deepest without knocking out the stage bulb lol,

HAMMER

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This notion that it would only change 1% of the races is silly. Change to truestart and then we will see the real number, because now the system is flawed with the red bulb coming on for the slower car.

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I predict that by the 2018 season Trustart will be implemented NHRA/IHRA wide. Not just bracket racing. Long over due.


Jeff

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Re: worst red light debate, again!Check this previous post, over 41.000 looks. Basicallywas well debated with Mark Yaccavone winning the debate.

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Hey,....... NHRA 1926 that makes too much sense, hence, it will never get adopted.......

Slow car drivers love it, fast car drivers hate it, the two business people are just trying to make a buck (can't blame them for that) and NHRA will benefit also.

Instant green is the answer, to the so called "problem". Slow car can't cut a light?.......gee... how about a smaller tire or bring back "deep staging".

Mr. Hill is right..... it will sell more Tech Cards....follow the money....

RJ

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LOL,instant green would so easy to win ,just be the fastest car in bracket ,dial 6-7 tenths faster than the slower car and leave when you see the slower cars rear wheel move,pace the car down the strip and take a 5 ft. stripe ,how hard is that with 4-5 tenths advantage.

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Except that you can't do that in Stock or SS Eliminator.

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Correct ,Dwight,but reaction time is real important,whats to stop cars from rolling in some almost deep to get a better reaction time on the instant green,all in all, its a bad ideal for class or brackets.Also a car leaving first could anticipate the green easily,depending on how the starting system was set-up ,no 3 ambers,just a green.

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Hammer, LOL.........quit giving away bracket racing 101 tips. S/SS is different.........wait............never mind.

TruSTART debut in Vegas today. Facebook and DRR has the whole story.

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Amazing....

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As I sit on the plane ride home from Vegas, I have to say I'm very pleased with how the introduction of TruSTART went today at the Strip @LVMS. Bob Brockmeyer (with the help of Jeff Foster) surpassed Kyle and my expectations. It 'looked' great in the real world and worked flawlessly and was well received by the racers (we also would like to thank the racers at LVMS today who raced on TruSTART on it's 'experimental day').

Mr Hill: with all due respect, I believe your comments (along with RJ Sledge) about introducing TruStart being 'all about selling tech cards' do not logically make sense in the big picture here. Case in point: at this point in time, we do not have any problem filling the pits at out Spring Fling events. Kyle and I (and the 15+ person Spring Fling staff) work very hard on our business model to bring racers the most value and fun possible and it seems racers enjoy it. As a matter of fact, in 2016 we are cutting out the Pro class at the Vegas event (turning away 150 paying customers) just be sure the overall experience of the racers stays up to our high standards. That was the single hardest decision Kyle and I had to make. So my question to you is; why would we (Compulink, Foster, Kyle and myself) spend all this time, money and effort to bring TruSTART to the sport of drag racing if it apparently isn't about selling tech cards? My answer to that would be because we all believe it will add to long term health of the sport.

And the second contradiction to your way of thinking is; if TruSTART isn't a logical, fundamentally sound, and technologically timely idea....then why would it sell more tech cards?

All in I think we all can agree there isn't a perfect and 100% fair world out there and neither will racing (or any sport) be perfect. But the same way we watch the performance side of things to keep parity in racing, we feel this parity should also be watched in handicapped racing (in this case, bracket racing, where a thousandth of a second can decide the crowning of a champion and/ or a final round worth $10,000, $20,000, $100,000 or more).

Being involved with racing for over 20 years and watching it's evolution, I respect all the different opinions on the many debatable subjects that have surfaced over time. WIth that said when it comes to TruSTART, we feel its long overdue and the timing is right. Kyle and I feel fortunate to be in a position to help the sport we love.

Peter

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Peter I thought that I had explained in my original post that making a profit in one way or the other is not a bad thing. Maybe you didn't read that part, I don't know.

I like some others, Mr. Hill included, probably read more into this than just making it a better playing field for all involved.

Enhancements have soured quite a few racers, and that is where our concerns are.

I wish you and Kyle the best with TruStart, just wondering where it will lead........and at what/whose expense?

RJ Sledge

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I would like to thank the team that put TruStart together and moving it forward.....

I can only hope that NHRA looks at this program as an asset and moves forward to implement it in all handicap eliminators....

I again thank you for effort,
Bob Mulry

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Peter, Thank you for the forward thinking and a great long due innovation of TruStart. You are defiantly following in your dads footsteps with products and positive ideas changing the sport.

Casey Miles
248H Stock