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I remember when Al Gore said his goal was to eliminate the internal combustion engine. Nothing that comes from the democrats will ever be good for motorsports. Time to dissolve the EPA.

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Good luck on that one. It's primarily about money and control disguised as "what is best for the country".

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Having an EPA can be a good idea. An EPA can protect the environment from individuals and companies that pollute lakes, streams and groundwater. I remember a chemical company destroyed a lake in central New York, and I don't think that the lake will recover for another 100 years or more. There also are cases where industrial pollution has created cancer clusters in local communities.

On the other hand, having an EAP that is totally out of control to the point that they can mandate when barbecue grills may be used, and what can and cannot be used for off-road interests/recreation is....totally insane.

There are thousands upon thousands of regulations that can be used to dictate what you can and cannot do with your property and person, some of which are disguised in other initiatives. Once regulations are approved--ones that are in many cases spawned by special interest groups--they are exceedingly difficult to undo.

This one in particular is worth fighting against. Hopefully, people will take notice of additional measures and proposals that come down the line, ones which are equally absurd, and take action there too.

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I've also had several races friends on facebook say their democrat's. How can you be a racer and be a Dem? I'll never understand that......I guess if you are that's your daddy's EPA doing this.

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What and the HELL does Dragracing have to do with being a Democrat? Can we leave politics out of this please? I come on class racer to have fun and read about dragracing !!! Not stupid politics !!!!

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See post #121.

From Wickipedia:

"The EPA was proposed by President Richard Nixon and began operation on December 2, 1970, after Nixon signed an executive order. The order establishing the EPA was ratified by committee hearings in the House and Senate."

House and Senate were both Democratic in 1970.

Shaun: This is politics messing with drag racing. You have the right to remain uninformed. Don't click the thread title.

Dale

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I understand that Dale, I just don't understand why a guy can't be A Drag racer and a Democrat.

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You can.
Everyone knows by now, that Democrats have perfected hypocrisy into an art form.

That's all I will say here...Otherwise, I'll get myself banned and get this whole thread shut down, and it's too important for that.

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Perfected hypocrisy? Have you spent any time at all in researching your current crop of GOP Presidential candidates? Are you delusional?

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I have to be very honest with you Bruce but you have lost all credibility on this subject by inserting all your political liberal views.Just Saying!

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Oh dear, please forgive me internet god. But, seriously who are you to say anybody has or does not have credibility? You're the man who laughs at poor people not being able to vote. And what are you doing on this site anyway?

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Just for the record I have been a member since July 2009 and love drag racing.LOL

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I am sure Al Gore can afford all this after selling his 20% interest worth Seventy Million Dollars of Current TV to AL Jazeera a cable network which is a propaganda outlet for the government of Qatar which makes 70% of its revenue from oil and gas.More liberal hypocrisy !

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Hypocrisy and delusion is the hallmark of air-headed liberals, leftists and America-hating cultural marxists, so-called "progressives."

TRUMP 2016.

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Then you aren't a racer. You're just another wannabe with a keyboard. Typical, and you're probably using a no-name as well.

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Trump 2016? That says it all. You are simply parroting a lunatic. You like Tacitus? He had many one liners "We hate those we hurt" is one of his, as I remember. I'll let you in on a little secret, Trump will never make it to the White House. He will live in the shadows for the rest of his life after this failed bid. The republican party will be destroyed because of him. I'm loving it too.

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Forget to take your meds? Not good.

Get some rest.

Pete

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Al Gore? You have the entire crew of republican presidential candidates at each others throats and you respond with that tired old Al Gore BS. Al Gore has been very disappointing. You see I can say that because I'm not afraid if the truth. How about you? Glad to see you guys out in the open.

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Have you spent any time at all in researching your current crop of Democratic candidates? Tell me you have no problems with either.

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Guys, please stay on topic, this issue is to important to argue about political beliefs. I knows its hard not to bring politics into this subject, but we need to focus on the EPA, not each others core beliefs.

I wont close the thread or remove anyone's posts unless it gets ugly or someone gets threatened. I know many are very passionate about their political beliefs, but please try to show some restraint when posting.

Thanks
Ken

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Of course I have. They are by no means perfect but far superior to anything the republicans have to offer. I will yield to Kenny's wishes and make this my last post on political issues.

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Voting has consequences.




The adminstrator of the EPA is a presidential (political) appointment. Not too sure what the big mystery is.

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The exchange between the EPA Administrator and Congressman Scott was very testy. I googled who the EPA answered to and that is supposed to be congress yet the EPA carries on as if it were autonomous (and omnipotent). Maybe it's time to rein in some of these agencies.

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Let me help you get your facts straight and why you have no credibility.
My last race car was a legal NHRA F/SA #4646 built by Woodro Josey Racing / Elisha Boyd Racing and was dam fast and competitive and could have won a few races if the car had a better driver.LOL
My real name is David Huff,retired from racing and yes I still love drag racing.

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This petition started off strong with about 10,000 signature in the first 24 hours. It got to 30,000 in a few days. It is flat now at about 45,000 or so.

Please forward this petition to everyone on your email list and ask them to sign the petition. It needs to exceed 100,000 signatures for the White House to respond.

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The EPA, like ATF, IRS, DOT, DOJ and many other alphabet agencies, are part of the executive branch, I.E. they answer to the president. Congress has incorrectly relinquished much of its' authority to the these autonomous bureaucrats and allowed them to come up with their own rules and regulations as they see fit. They thumb their nose at Congress and get away with it for the most part, (remember Lois Lerner?). The only thing Congress truly controls is the funding for these agencies, and as we've seen, they do a lousy job of it.

A loud, unified voice, sending a steady stream of messages to our representatives to back up the efforts of organizations like SEMA, will get their attention and maybe help get some of this stupid stuff off the table.

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Hey Greenlight, The number is 148K +. Hope that makes us all feel better.algore is better at selling stuff as algezera is going bust and will go away in April, and we were supposed to be all gone by some time in late January according to his bad guess of 10 years ago.John Kissel

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That is the petition to the Whitehouse. This is a different document and will be sent to members of Congress. It stands at 45,561 as I write this and needs to be signed as well. Comments can be left there also.

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Ancient history and not a racer. Thank for the facts.

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It really is not relevant, in this situation, whether you are Democrat, Republican, Liberal, Conservative, etc.. We are all drag racers in some form or another. This EPA proposal could impact anyone & everyone who participates in our hobby. These regulations, if passed and enforced, will have a negative affect on the racer, the company that sells the racer parts, and the track where the racer takes the car, regardless of the political views they may have. This problem should unify the racing community into action as a whole. Remember the saying " United we stand, divided we fall", and save the varying political opinions for the voting booth.

Chris Lindell

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Granted I have not read the whole thread but where is Detroit on this?

The aftermarket, racing, crate engine programs, etc. etc. etc. would be demolished by this action. Without doing a very deep dive it does not make sense on its face for Detroit to go along with EPA. If that premise is true, this may not be a long lived endeavor... Detroit mostly gets what they want- but not all the time.

Also, the aftermarket parts and racing industry is where almost all innovation comes from that lowers emissions. Racing innovations teach and allow Detroit to build smaller engines so all of us can travel where we need to go. The industry provides and financial ecosystem that was responsible for fuel injection, hybrid technology, variable valve timing, utilization of lightweight materials, and hundreds upon thousands of advances that are too numerous to mention. The people within the aftermarket provide the financial resources and testing ability to sort out the millions of possible combinations required to make something produce more power. More power= more efficiency= smaller, cleaner engines. And there is no doubt that it worked. Am I wrong?

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What about our friends in the racing parts business? I would be nervous.

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Ed, the majority of the aftermarket suppliers are represented by SEMA.

SEMA has a government affairs division to deal with these type of issues.

https://www.sema.org/government-affa..._utmk=30735223

Nevertheless, since this issue has political overtones, racers and others need to get involved in the petitions.

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I agree with you 100%

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It is a huge pain in the rear end to have to pay attention to this kind of crap. We all have better things to do with our time than to try to stay informed about this big government crap that has a major affect on all of us, who's trying to sneak what through now, email and call elect officials who are supposed to responsible for this, and in general, try to keep up with these endless attempts to control everything we do.

My involvement in other non-PC interests has taught me that we often need to be activists, be involved in national organizations that represent our interests, and be a large, loud, angry voice in the ear of our representatives. Otherwise, people like Administrator McCarty will do what they want, take what they want, tell us what we can and can't do, and not look back. Unfortunately, that's how it is.

The good news is, large numbers of people expressing their opposition to these types of initiatives are often effective in delaying or preventing them from becoming reality. People who have to be voted into office every few years, pay attention to which way the wind's blowing. You just need to take the time to rattle their cage.

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More people paying attention and speaking out.

http://theshopmag.com/news/news-blog...on-against-epa

All jacked up.
 

How come the NHRA doesn't listen to us?

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In the past few days...

Marco Rubio has posted comments on his website opposing the proposed EPA regulations and included a link to the Whitehouse petition, encouraging people to sign it.

https://marcorubio.com/news/epa-race-cars-modified/

The EPA has reopened the public comment period for the proposed regulations.

Also, comments attributed to an EPA spokeswoman at the end of this article seem to indicate that EPA does not intend to go after vehicles used solely for racing. However, she says “The EPA remains primarily concerned with cases where the tampered vehicle is used on public roads, and more specifically with aftermarket manufacturers who sell devices that defeat emission control systems on vehicles used on public roads.”

ANY certified vehicle - those sold for street use since the late '60s - that has had ANY modifications that affect emissions equipment, will be a problem. That sounds like every single muscle car, resto-mod, hot rod, race car, etc. with tags, except those that have been restored to factory original.

The threats to the aftermarket are particularly troubling. What is their definition of "device"? How do we separate the parts and pieces we use on race cars from those used in a street legal car? It will be much easier for them to go after a Holley, Edelbrock, MSD or any other company making performance parts and impose huge fines and penalties, rather than single out individuals with a hot street car in their garage. What happens to the investment of the years spent, the billions of dollars and the value of these companies and the cars most of us own?

http://theshopmag.com/features/epa-r...race-mod-rules

This is the link for the EPA comments page. Please take the time to leave your comments. Speak up on behalf of the companies that make the parts and pieces as well as the people who have street and muscle cars that they are able to enjoy.

http://www.regulations.gov/#!submitC...2014-0132-0001

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from post above...."Also, comments attributed to an EPA spokeswoman at the end of this article seem to indicate that EPA does not intend to go after vehicles used solely for racing. However, she says “The EPA remains primarily concerned with cases where the tampered vehicle is used on public roads, and more specifically with aftermarket manufacturers who sell devices that defeat emission control systems on vehicles used on public roads.”

...that is basically what my Senator's office told me.
that being said, it is still bad news for the car performance market.