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Ken Miele 03-17-2016 07:39 PM

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More photos from todays action.

Ken Miele 03-17-2016 07:41 PM

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And more......

Ken Miele 03-17-2016 07:45 PM

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Last batch.

fredjohnston 03-17-2016 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 498481)
If it's a Chevy II , it's got more wrong with it than the taillights .

1970 402 doesn't fit AA either, natural B car. What the hell does NHRA look at anymore?

402
*
STICK
A
375

8.67

390
2.21.06
400

HR9121 03-17-2016 08:55 PM

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I got a text from Greg Rowe and he said they are supposed to run at 8am tomorrow but he doesn't believe he can get out of his pit area. Must've been a monsoon down there.
Very nice pictures Ken, can I ask what kind of camera you are using?

Jeff Teuton 03-17-2016 09:12 PM

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Some areas are pretty muddy. We will see tomorrow. SS ladder will change. My son Joey is here, had problems, could not make the first round. Was in line for the second when the rain hit. He is not on the sheet. I have made NHRA aware. Should go from67 ladder to 68. There was a lot of rain here today. Forecast is not good. This will be a tough call.

Paul Precht 03-17-2016 09:35 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fredjohnston (Post 498512)
1970 402 doesn't fit AA either, natural B car. What the hell does NHRA look at anymore?

402
*
STICK
A
375

8.67

390
2.21.06
400

I think the replacement head's extra 10 HP make it a natural A car.

MR DERBY CITY 03-17-2016 09:36 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton (Post 498514)
Some areas are pretty muddy. We will see tomorrow. SS ladder will change. My son Joey is here, had problems, could not make the first round. Was in line for the second when the rain hit. He is not on the sheet. I have made NHRA aware. Should go from67 ladder to 68. There was a lot of rain here today. Forecast is not good. This will be a tough call.

Jeff, there are at least 2 other Ladder problems that you should be aware of in Superstock,

rick winchester 03-17-2016 09:41 PM

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70 nova 402 stick with alum. head 8.45 / natural A car. remove wt. to go to AA. Shipping wt. 3382#. The guide shows wt. for orig. heads,hope this helps. I think the nova is the only one @400 hp. with alum. head. The rest are 395 hp .I think.but I could be wrong. Rick.

fredjohnston 03-17-2016 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by rick winchester (Post 498518)
70 nova 402 stick with alum. head 8.45 / natural A car. remove wt. to go to AA. Shipping wt. 3382#. The guide shows wt. for orig. heads,hope this helps. I think the nova is the only one @400 hp. with alum. head. The rest are 395 hp .I think.but I could be wrong. Rick.

I don't know what imaginary guide you are looking at but the guide on nhraracer.com for 1970 Chevrolet Chevy II 402 with a stick doesn't show 8.45, it has exactly what I posted before.

Ken Miele 03-17-2016 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by HR9121 (Post 498513)
I got a text from Greg Rowe and he said they are supposed to run at 8am tomorrow but he doesn't believe he can get out of his pit area. Must've been a monsoon down there.
Very nice pictures Ken, can I ask what kind of camera you are using?

I am still learning how to use it, its a Nikon L840. Its just your basic point and shoot camera. It was cheap, open box at best buy here in town for 140. My phone was just not good enough when it got dark out.

Some pits spots are pretty bad, we still have light rain on and off as I type.

Randall Klein 03-17-2016 10:27 PM

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.....Wolkwitz Copo has chassis done by......

I realize a "factory race car", needs some add'l work, but I'm curious, after shelling out $100K, just how much more is needed to be a top competitor

Initially I thought these were race prepared by top factory engineers

Paul Precht 03-17-2016 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by fredjohnston (Post 498522)
I don't know what imaginary guide you are looking at but the guide on nhraracer.com for 1970 Chevrolet Chevy II 402 with a stick doesn't show 8.45, it has exactly what I posted before.

3382 divided by 400 is 8.45

Mark Yacavone 03-17-2016 10:57 PM

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The guide doesn't say 8.45 but it does say 400 for replacement heads, so it runs A.
I don't know if other cars are listed that way..but this one is.

Rat Raceway 03-17-2016 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Randall Klein (Post 498525)
.....Wolkwitz Copo has chassis done by......

I realize a "factory race car", needs some add'l work, but I'm curious, after shelling out $100K, just how much more is needed to be a top competitor

Initially I thought these were race prepared by top factory engineers

Huge amount!

They are far from ready to go from the factory. Like all cars...
"Do work, or get worked!"

fredjohnston 03-17-2016 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 498528)
The guide doesn't say 8.45 but it does say 400 for replacement heads, so it runs A.
I don't know if other cars are listed that way..but this one is.

You and Paul are either punch drunk or in denial. It doesn't say 8.45, it doesn't say replacement head means its an A car, it doesn't say please take out your calculator and divide 3382 by 400, it says what you see below in black in white. It says 8.67 which is a B car. It also doesn't say 8.67 but also open to your personal interpretation.

*
STICK
A
375

8.67

390
2.21.06
400

Mark Yacavone 03-17-2016 11:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by fredjohnston (Post 498530)
You and Paul are either punch drunk or in denial. It doesn't say 8.45, it doesn't say replacement head means its an A car, it doesn't say please take out your calculator and divide 3382 by 400, it says what you see below in black in white. It says 8.67 which is a B car. It also doesn't say 8.67 but also open to your personal interpretation.

*
STICK
A
375

8.67

390
2.21.06
400

Fred, Have another green beer and take another look in the morning. You'll get it.

Now can we get back to the "taillights" ?

Oh yes, thanks for all the reporting too.

MR DERBY CITY 03-17-2016 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 498531)
Fred, Have another green beer and take another look in the morning. You'll get it.

Now can we get back to the "taillights" ?

Oh yes, thanks for all the reporting too.

Tail lights, I am just wondering how Mr. Alund received an entry to the Winters and the Gators ? I realize he ran a few Pro Stock races last year but....I don't recall seeing him at any LODRS .....where did the grade points come from ?

Tony Janes 03-17-2016 11:47 PM

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Probably because he ran a Pro Stock for Summit, or grade points from Sweden.

Mark Yacavone 03-18-2016 01:32 AM

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Well, Mr Fred,
It appears that you are correct in your original premise..Natural B car.
I don't have a rulebook but it was pointed out to me that replacement heads horsepower ratings don't change the original natural class, ..just the total weight carried.
I assumed it was just an omission or a typo. If you knew otherwise, you sure didn't explain very well.. but there you go.

Alan Roehrich 03-18-2016 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 498536)
Well, Mr Fred,
It appears that you are correct in your original premise..Natural B car.
I don't have a rulebook but it was pointed out to me that replacement heads horsepower ratings don't change the original natural class, ..just the total weight carried.
I assumed it was just an omission or a typo. If you knew otherwise, you sure didn't explain very well.. but there you go.

Skelly, Gracia, and Bachelder all told me that the 10HP penalty for replacement heads does not affect the natural class.

This has happened before, to another guy who was not well versed in Stock Eliminator. The car should have been entered as a 1968. They sent the other guy home with a DQ.

One thing that does not add up, looking over the years in question, in a couple of instances, the 350HP combination has a 100# lighter shipping weight than the 375HP combination. How I don't know. A real aluminum head car (L-89 option) would actually be 60-80# lighter than any iron head combination.

Ed Carpenter 03-18-2016 02:27 AM

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Clark ran "A" if I remember right. Never AA/S that I know of. Hell he was teched in they should know what the hell there looking at. I remember my first race Wesley had fun with my car. Forget engine etc he began by pointing out all the mouldings and emblems that were wrong lol.....

Brett C 03-18-2016 05:53 AM

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Ken,
Can we keep this thread about Gainesville?

Yo Ken 03-18-2016 06:55 AM

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Brett is correct, please stay on topic. If you feel that strongly about what is wrong with a car or why a racer is here, please start your own thread.

Thank you

modelman1960 03-18-2016 07:19 AM

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Morning Ken and all, how's the weather this morning?
Ken, your pictures are a great way to show us all the inner and outer workings of an event and they are as good as Chris's. I hope you realize how nice it is to see everything that's going on from the lens. Keep up the great work Sir and good luck and safe racing this weekend.
Walt

seansimp925 03-18-2016 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Rat Raceway (Post 498529)
Huge amount!

They are far from ready to go from the factory. Like all cars...
"Do work, or get worked!"

They don't need any work to run 50s.

Ken Miele 03-18-2016 08:12 AM

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Good morning all. Walt, everything you need to know about this mornings weather is in the photos. lots of moisture in the air, with plenty of fog. They pushed the start time back to 9, but that's is being optimistic at best. They are drying the track now, but its slow going.

Even with the weather being as it is, I caught race fans walking through the pits.

Brett C 03-18-2016 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by seansimp925 (Post 498545)
They don't need any work to run 50s.

Farm from the truth.

Please keep this about Gainesville.

Sorry Ken.

Brett C 03-18-2016 08:25 AM

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Lots of rigs getting pulled out of the mud this morning!
Quite a mess.

James Perrone 03-18-2016 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Brett C (Post 498550)
Lots of rigs getting pulled out of the mud this morning!
Quite a mess.

It's Gainesville it always rains just like Maple Grove. But being gainsville is owned by nhra you would think they would invest in some stone and improve the pit area A little. ****.thats asking too much. Good luck to all you mud people

Mike Delahanty 03-18-2016 09:29 AM

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Stock has been told to "stand down" as there are a number of cars that have issues getting out their pit spaces. Top Dragster to the lanes.

HR9121 03-18-2016 09:45 AM

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Here's a few pictures that were sent to me this morning from Greg Rowe.



http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/...psjnmtr2qh.jpg

http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/...psusdrmmsb.jpg

http://i1252.photobucket.com/albums/...ps9tmgeezh.jpg

Mike Delahanty 03-18-2016 09:50 AM

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Doesn't sound like Stock or SS will run today.

Brett C 03-18-2016 09:50 AM

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Going to start off soon with TD, Comp, Alcohol. Lots of stock/ss can't get out.

Kevin McKenna 03-18-2016 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by MR DERBY CITY (Post 498532)
Tail lights, I am just wondering how Mr. Alund received an entry to the Winters and the Gators ? I realize he ran a few Pro Stock races last year but....I don't recall seeing him at any LODRS .....where did the grade points come from ?

Jimmy Alund finished in the top 20 in Pro Stock last season, which grants him a sportsman entry to any national event in 2016. (same rule that would allow say Dave Connolly to race Super Comp if he wanted)

He could also have gained entry due to his status as a nine-time FIA European Pro Stock champion. That rule is in place to help encourage more International participation.

Troy Henderson 03-18-2016 10:38 AM

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I turned on the live stream for the first time and as soon as it plays it shows 2 top dragsters hitting the wall at the finish line...yikes

Ron Ortiz 03-18-2016 10:44 AM

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Those pics look like the back forty at Gainesville. I have seen them try boards, plywood, stone, hay and pumps. Like Perrone said you would think that NHRA would have made improvements by now. Feeling sorry for you all there.

By the way it looks like there is more rain coming your way in an hour or two.

Here are some pics from a couple of years ago, fond memories. I remember NHRA requesting that we rinse off our tires as to not bring mud into the lanes. Being in the back forty, by the time you get to the gate and building where the hose is at, your tires are already free of mud. Ahhh the memories.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA welcome to Rainsville

Chris1529 03-18-2016 11:08 AM

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Although not as deep as the "Sippy Hole", it looks like that area is much better suited for the Swamp Buggy races that I used to watch on Diamond P Sports/TNN!

James Perrone 03-18-2016 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron Ortiz (Post 498567)
Those pics look like the back forty at Gainesville. I have seen them try boards, plywood, stone, hay and pumps. Like Perrone said you would think that NHRA would have made improvements by now. Feeling sorry for you all there.

By the way it looks like there is more rain coming your way in an hour or two.

Here are some pics from a couple of years ago, fond memories. I remember NHRA requesting that we rinse off our tires as to not bring mud into the lanes. Being in the back forty, by the time you get to the gate and building where the hose is at, your tires are already free of mud. Ahhh the memories.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA welcome to Rainsville

Still was a good time! You got anymore chicken and ribs. Any c-25. Ron ? lol

Carguy49 03-18-2016 11:52 AM

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Looks horrible, I hope they get things going in a timely manner. Good luck to all.
Chris, love the reference to the "sippy hole".


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