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Mineshaft was in effect and permanent CIC for the car began at .65 under. Martino took .03 permanent off his personal index as long as he's driving in C/SM. Permanent hits to everyone in class begins at runs under .72 under original class index.

Complicated Eliminator LOL!

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In the third round Tom went -.52 under which lowered his index .02 for the semi final against Aragona. In that round he went .66 under which lowered it another .16 hence the -.18 in the finals. He will have his personal index lowered .08 come tomorrow and the class index will remain the same. But in Aragona's case, he already had 10 personal against him and he ran -.69 vs Tom so he will move the J/AA class index another .09 down.

Greg

ps if you have no personal index, you have to run -.71 under to move the class index

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Why .08 on the personal? If mineshaft is in effect, -.65, wouldn`t C/SM lose.01?
Complicated for me

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There is a Comp forum on this site that is under utilized, so maybe this subject matter might enhance its existence.

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Keep pissing in their Cherios Billy !! seems like a lot of guys better get off the computer n get on the dyno !!

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How many of you understand what really goes into a very well developed set of heads? I don't mean the run of the mill good set of heads, I mean the best of the best. It would be NOTHING to have 200 hours in a killer set of heads, in many cases welding is required, on and off the flow bench many many times per port X 16, then theres getting the right castings to start with, it goes on and on. And don't kid yourself flow through the intake tract is every thing on a stocker. What your time worth? As a side note, theres no old school small block Chevy head that responds (flows) like certain castings of the 441 used on that 255 HP combo, head porters know exactly what I'am talking about!

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"in many cases welding is required, "

Silly me. I didn't know that that was legal. Why don't we just throw all the rules away?

Pete

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Hey bubski, let me know who they are and I'll personally stop by their pit and piss on their sneakers. What's a dyno?

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and that welding can be detected if NHRA wanted it to be.

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A legal way to help find more power..!:o

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Ya know sparky, I remember about a million years ago, an old buddy of mine having a bunch of 441 heads buried in his back yard. Whenever you had to "piss", you were told to "piss" on the buried heads. Why waste a perfectly good acid solution on breakfast cereal?

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OR just run it like the NMCA's Nostalgic muscle car class or the NSS classes with 1/4 second breaks( from 9.50 down to 15.00 same as the NMCA) and anything goes ! Dave Duell loves the NSS classes with his 1964 HEMI station wagon ! Pick your dial in on Saturday but you can not run under it at all. Not even .001 and NO throttle stops allowed1. No fuel checks, no weight checks, no tear downs, any cubic inches allowed, but they need to get the damn hood scoope rules straightened out. most are UGLY as poop looking and wrong for the car they are on. No two steps, no wheelie bars, no electronics of any kind except high RPM shut offs. ALL run fields. NMCA has a 1985 or older cut off but NHRA could allow their computerized fool injected garbage if they could figure out how to keep the guys from cheating with computer controlled dial ins.....LOL. Then again maybe NOT ! Put them in their own category ! There I just solved the cheating problem and it didn't cost NHRA a penny and you can still use your new cheated on stocker engines ! Just use them until they blow up and then start fresh with a cheaper combo to save more money..................LOL.

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Billy where is this back yard.........lol

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Just use existing Super Stock rules.....The stockers are almost there already so you are almost there also !!!

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Wow and all I wanted was to know the average LOL.

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Sorry about that Frank....the last thread started over there was last month, before that was in May. I thought it might be relevant here.
Mike A114

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Just brush up on your sandbag skills, as there are some good ones there that have part time jobs as hurricane contractors. John Kissel K242

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Hey James, see what happens when you start to stir the pot amongst these naive class racers. They go from one subject to the next and the next thing you know you've got a circus going. All you had to do was write down the numbers, total them and divide them by the amount of entries. It is a very simple solution. You might have varied a little bit with the ***hole comment, but I can understand you wanted to add a little flair to it.

Knowing what it is like to have your combo hit by someone else, several times, especially courtesy of NHRA's brilliant decision on the 302 Fords, I have a couple of scenarios for you.

Make more money so you can buy more expensive parts for your combo.
Work harder instead of reading my posts.
Cheat, sort of bend the rules.
Put a bigger motor in it and change classes.
Put a smaller motor in it and change classes.
Call Glendora and have them make the change.
Put a hit on the person who hit your combo.
Run IHRA.
Paint your car red and install NO2, they will never notice the bottle.
Get a calculator and resubmit the numbers, you may have been off originally.
Go on Class Racer and seek solace from friends.
Contact your congressman and demand that they work for you.
Don't do anything and see how long it takes to blow up.
Calm down and take it in stride, it is only racing.
Request an investigation into the validity of the Chrondek system.

These are just some random thoughts to get you through this terrible situation. And if you ever line up against this person at a race, draw attention to their motor while your crew member deflates one of their slicks in the lanes.

Good luck James with your dilemma, and know that we all love you.

Ron Ortiz
U/SA and the hits keep coming

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Just carry extra weight or take some out to run dead on your number. No weight checks required and no grade points required either. Pay at the gate.

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No! Just use EXISTING STOCK rules!

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I would run it out!!!

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HP hunter, you are missing the point, in my opinion you have to be nuts to spend 20k on a set of stocker heads, I don't care how good they flow when we are racing for a 1200 to 1500 bucks. By the way you must know there is no way welding on stocker heads is legal and are using it to justify doing it . Everyone has a right to their own opinion and I stand by mine. Rick.

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You just have to get a pair of the rare 441 heads that were found on the moon and flow so much better due to being exposed to that moon environment...


There were also some from Mars but they are even more rare.....and faster...


This thread is very entertaining though...

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From 1975 or so maybe. Not todays rules !

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James just stirring pot.!!!!!!

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The 441s from Jupiter are even stupider.

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Can you spot the welding? Its on the intake side.

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"no way welding on stocker heads is legal and are using it to justify doing it "


All I would say is this: people are welding on stocker heads, I'am not justifying it, just sayin there doing it.

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Are these Pontiac Heads ?

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That is a big block Chevy head.

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Looks like a 301 Pontiac head.....

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A closed chamber BB Chev and the chamber walls have been hit with either a stone or a cutting tool to unshroud the valves.....both intake and exhaust.


In ancient times we used to use an oversized top cut stone with a flatter angle and cut only the intake chamber wall back some with a smooth radius. Could not get away with that on the exhaust side.


Then Bead blast the area and then do what was the accepted and legal VJ of 3 angles and no more than 1/4" larger than valve O.D. top cut.

Many BB heads had a smooth area around the intake and it blended into the chamber wall so you could get away with copying that and making it bigger.....unshrouding the valve....

We did heads and blocks for T/K and they went on record holding cars well know in Div. 1

I did numerous sets of LS-6 heads.....from new castings....before the era of welding.....We did epoxy intake runners on SS heads but nothing more than that....

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What's a 301 Pontiac? Is that the head casting #?

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How do you get a 60 degree angle that wide (.110) on any production BBC head with a factory installed 2.190 intake valve? Anyone..............

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lol !

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Guess you can weld Cast Iron !

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Don't play games Billy you know that's the pic of the superseded head for a 301. Cya at the Dutch.

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Most combos that can run 1.20 under and are factored at less than 1 HP per cubic inch are under factored.

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So George what combo do you run? If you use your logic the 350/255 hp motor rated at 280 hp should be rated at 350 hp. That would add about 700 to 800 pounds to most of those that run it. Almost every combo is capable of running 120 under. If you want to spend money and time. Barry

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Will any of the AA/S or AA/SA run in the 9.40's?