Originally Posted by Stan Weiss (Post 616317)

Randy,
What about the first 2 years when Paul ran the House and the big tax cuts with no marching spending cuts?

Stan

Originally Posted by Randy Wells (Post 616318)

You guys dont get it do you, paul was a swamp Rat, that is why he is not there Trump is hunting down the swamprats, all I can say is trump did something that cost you, Paul, Bill and the dude from outside DC that owns a IT company money and the commie Bruce. Get over it get use to it, TRUMP 2020

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 616320)

Randy, No name calling..Don't be calling Bruce a commie.

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 616319)

I'm not happy about the spending. They all spend too much . Everyone wants their piece of the pie ,which they think they're owed. If you and I don't pay for it, they'll come and take it away, at the point of a gun, if they have to. That's the system congress set up..

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 616319)

Look, there was only two choices. I went with the guy who took a pay cut from his other job, and doesn't take a salary.

Originally Posted by Paul Sarvas (Post 616338)

I agree the government spends too much. We probably disagree how the money is spent. Mr. Yacavone are you saying you shouldn't have to pay any taxes? If you owe money to the government and you won't pay, what would you like them to do about it?

I held my nose and made a choice as well. The way I see it, there's more to life than how high your stash of money is. In my opinion it is pathetic that with 350 million people in this country our choices for president in the last election and the upcoming one in November was/are Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden and Donald Trump. Pretty fockin sad...

pS

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 616306)

Let me do this, before this thread goes away.

I'll cut right to the chase ,and then the back story, Certain PEEpS don't have much attention span.

The way I see it, liberals in motorsports walk around all day , stepping on their own ..you know whats, supporting causes and pols of the Left. I capitalize Left, because it is the religion of these folks.
We see the lawyers of the Left, teaming up with the homeowners of the Left, who hate racing, going before judges of the Left, to get racetracks put out of business, all across this country.
We also see them trying to pass noise ordinances, after they were dumb enough to buy near a racetrack.
We see the environmental whackos of the Left going after leaded racing fuels, in typical Lefty " save the planet" mode.
We see the politicians of the Left, raising taxes on the small and medium businesses, and forcing them to provide insurance or pay a fine. These are the people would build the parts we need such as pistons,cams, valves, etc. I personally have talked to probably 50 shops, who weren't hiring, and weren't investing in new equipment ,until Obama was gone. Now, under the Trump economy, they have expanded and are doing great.
There are also many minor league player of the Left involved here.

Bill, I grew up in the Big D land of Ct. too. My daddy told me I had to vote for the party of slavery and the KKK. How about yours? I didn't know any better. We weren't taught this in our schools..It was just JFK , all the time.
My mother was a State Rep. She ran unopposed a few times.No Republican would waste his money on a campaign there. I went to her victory parties and knew all her friends in politics. I had to register and vote "D" , otherwise she'd hear about it.
After I moved away and tried to start businesses, I found a new respect for conservatism. When I went back after 20 years, I found all my racing and hot rod friends listening to Rush, and reading Dr.Savage. I found out that 98% were conservative in their ideology. We never even talked about politics back in the 70's
But they must have used the same thought process I did.

Anyway, running long here.
Bottom line..If you're going to be a devotee of the Left, drive your Prius or ride your bicycle to work or play..Don't support motorsports , either as a racer or a professional spectator..In other words, walk the walk. Don't just talk the talk.. Don't be a hypocrite.

Any of "the squad" that has a cogent rebuttal, go for it ..No name calling , or I'll pull the whole thing.

Originally Posted by Superfan1 (Post 616344)

Mark, I agree with most of what you said. I am not an environmentalist, I believe that climate change, if it is happening, is happening naturally, I hate seeing race tracks shutdown; if you are stupid enough to buy a house near a racetrack, that was your decision. When Englishtown closed it was like losing an old friend. I will never buy an electric car, a hybrid car, or anything other than a gasoline car.
My father and mother taught my sister and I that racism of any sort was evil. We were taught to never judge anyone by their race, ethnicity, or religion. I have lived my entire my life true to those principles.
This may sound simplistic, but I am a Democrat because I am a typical middle class American. The Republican party has traditionally been the party for the wealthy; while the Democrat party has traditionally been the party for the common man. It reminds me of a story that Hall of Fame NBA player Charles Barkley likes to tell - he happened to mention to his grandmother that he was a Republican, she questioned why because Republicans are for rich folks, to which Charles responded "but grandma, I am rich folks."
Good conversation Mark. We will agree to disagree on some things; but we also agree on many.

Originally Posted by Superfan1 (Post 616344)

The Republican party has traditionally been the party for the wealthy; while the Democrat party has traditionally been the party for the common man.

Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 616352)

Tell that to Abraham Lincoln. He fought a civil war against the southern states that were full of wealthy, slave holding Democrats and was eventually murdered by one. I wish that my Father was alive for you to tell that to. He grew up dirt poor working on a mid-western farm in a State full of Democratic, acreage owning farmers. The Democratic party being for the "common man" is just decades-old "spin".

Originally Posted by Billy Nees (Post 616352)

Tell that to Abraham Lincoln. He fought a civil war against the southern states that were full of wealthy, slave holding Democrats and was eventually murdered by one. I wish that my Father was alive for you to tell that to. He grew up dirt poor working on a mid-western farm in a State full of Democratic, acreage owning farmers. The Democratic party being for the "common man" is just decades-old "spin".

Originally Posted by Paul Sarvas (Post 616363)

https://www.politifact.com/article/2...s-chatter-fox/



pS

Originally Posted by John Kissel (Post 616385)

I basically have paid attention to stuff since 1968, and have no use for politicans at all. Just think of all of the stuff they have ruined since then. Engine oil, light bulbs,house paint, cars, light duty trucks, class 8 road tractors, diesel fuel, the list goes on.Things we used to do and not think twice about, now, ya' can't do that anymore. Climate change is called seasons, in the '50s we had some bad hurricains here for a while, and that was the way it was. The smart ones want to retire the A-10 Wart Hogs that do a great job, in favor of some wizbang that will cost billions and help politicans retire. There is a lot more to say, but it is dinner time. I truly worry for the younger generations as they are gonna' have a tough row to hoe, some probably don't know what a hoe is for. I pray for this Country, Donald,and Rush every night, amongst other people, now with us or not.JohnKissel K242

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 616370)

You see, my friends, this is why these left leaning "fact checkers" are not a good source for anything.
Nobody ever said that the Democrat party apparatus got together and said let's start a Hate the Black People group.
When someone says Democrats founded the KKK, that statement is true...not false. It says so right above.

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 616275)

Could you, just once, contribute something of value to this forum?

Originally Posted by Paul Sarvas (Post 616398)

"This alignment changes in the 1920s and 1930s," Frantz said, noting how black Americans were swayed to the Democratic Party as Republicans focused on law-and-order policing and Democratic President Franklin Delano Roosevelt pushed for social and economic justice.This context matters, because Elder’s claims could imply to many that today’s Democrats would have been pro-slavery in another era.

Couple things...

Just because you don't like the results, Politifact is not left leaning.

As much as you want it to be, 200 year old news is not relevant in today's society.

I'm not the forum police but the name of this thread is covid poll and you have successfully hijacked it. So here we are back at square one Teddy. Some old s hit from you and your crowd. You got nuthin on topic so you change the subject and start race baiting. Using Bill Seabrooks' question to hop in and push your agenda? WTF does slavery and the KKK have to do with Covid19 Teddy? Shame, shame, shame on you and Mr. Nees. I will try my best to keep Class Racer from becoming your favorite hangout, Breitbart News.

In hindsight this is fockin laughable...Nice work Teddy.

pS

Originally Posted by Grey Ghost (Post 616404)

Paul

FDR supported social and economic justice!!! Do the covid police in your state know you're leaving your house to buy crack!? That bluebood was a racist and anti-semite. He sent ship full of jewish refugees back to uropia to die in the **** camps to appease adolf. Also wouldn't allow blacks to serve in the military tell Eleanor demanded it.

Talk about WTF buddy!!!

Originally Posted by Paul Sarvas (Post 616406)

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 616405)

Ken has let this run because, I'm guessing, people want to vent right now. I already said it won't last .

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 616405)

I hijacked nothing .

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 616405)

I just showed you how the phony the "fact checker" was.

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 616405)

You only come on here to stir up political ***** with the mostly conservative audience.

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 616405)

You can talk to the wall, as far as I'm concerned.. In fact, it might be a fair match of wits for you.

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 616405)

I'll tell you what. Don't address me, or my posts, and I won't address yours.

Originally Posted by Paul Sarvas (Post 616411)

If a dope like me ....

pS

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 616407)

Just for the record:


https://www.allsides.com/news-source/politifact

Originally Posted by 340Cuda (Post 616442)

Not familiar with this site. I am always searching for a unbiased news and fact checking site.

What do you all think of this site?

Originally Posted by Randy Wells (Post 616409)

Wow, looks whats going on in Seattle, Democrat Mayor and Democrat Governor, I am sure Trump will be blamed for it. I am just glad I am not anywhere near those cities. Oh and they wonder why we need 30 round magazines, our founders were very smart men, and everyone should be glad we have a second amendment. If your not good luck with that.

Randy

Originally Posted by Randy Wells (Post 616497)

Just seen an interview with a nurse from NYC, Erin Marie Olszewski. Unbelievable, NYC hospital would get a stroke victim in and after initial EMS on that patient they were moved to the Non-Covid floor, the next day they were told to move the patient to the Covid floor, next thing you know the stroke victim has Covid and is on a ventilator, and dies of Covid. The Nurse complained about this and is sent home.
My god what is wrong with our Politicians, some people need to be held accountable for this; they are nothing more than serial killers. Coumo needs to be held accountable for the thousands of deaths.

Originally Posted by BRETV (Post 616543)

Have a life long friend, hospital administrator. The hospital gets $13,000 for every Covid case and $37,000 if they go on a ventilator. This is soo wrong!!




Bret Velde
2003 FS/??

Originally Posted by BRETV (Post 616543)

Have a life long friend, hospital administrator. The hospital gets $13,000 for every Covid case and $37,000 if they go on a ventilator. This is soo wrong!!




Bret Velde
2003 FS/??

Originally Posted by Eddies66 (Post 616553)

Who are they getting from?

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss (Post 616552)

Bret,

Just what is the hospital paid if someone goes on a ventilator for some reason other than Covid?


Stan

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss (Post 616560)

The hospitals and the government agree to how much the government will pay for different thing.

Which goes back to my question.



If what you are saying is people are put on ventilators that don't need to be. Then where is the AG and DOJ? That is a crime. :eek:

Stan

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss (Post 616552)

Bret,

Just what is the hospital paid if someone goes on a ventilator for some reason other than Covid?


Stan

Originally Posted by Randy Wells (Post 616563)

Stan,

I will probably depend on who wins in November on rather or not this is investigated.

RW

Originally Posted by Randy Wells (Post 616563)

Stan,

I will probably depend on who wins in November on rather or not this is investigated.

RW

Originally Posted by Stan Weiss (Post 616568)

Randy,

Got it. If Joe wins in November it will be investigated. Because if the current POTUS / AG / DOJ is not doing it now why would he do it if re-elected?


Stan