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Billy, I’m not that deep or spiritual, say what you mean.

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I think Jeff said it just fine.

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Must be inspiring to you, means nothing to me.

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A clown calling out a clown….I’ve seen this before? Oh yeah the circus….

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I really didn't think that it would.

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Tim, Keith is OK. Ed is well, Ed.

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some of you guys have an issue with the truth and the facts. You talk about stock eliminator as if it's the pinnacle of drag racing. It is NOT, the pinnacle of drag racing doesn't race for $1,500/$1,800 and a trophy no one but class racers care about while held captive for nearly a week, then wait by the mailbox for a few $100/$300 checks. More to my point, the cars are not "stock". further you bitch and moan about the rules you don't like while turning a blind eye to the rampant cheating that has been going on for decades. Last like Frank, you think you have some superior knowledge and skill set because you are prepared to pull a head and/or a piston/rod.

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With all do respect.




Come on in the water is fine, you got the cash, your kid can drive, buy the copo!!! You can watch!!



LOL!!!
Ed you are the funniest on the interwebs....
"Must be inspiring to you, means nothing to me."
Having trouble with words?? LOL! :p



Let's not forget you telling me in person you would never ever race NHRA but when your kid saw his buddy having fun you lowered yourself.... The signman knows!!! LOL!!!



What is Truth and Fact? but what the individual can accept as such. What you project is yours only.... :eek:

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Oh come on Frank! This may be the definition of "truth" but "fact" will eventually step up and hit you right square in the face.;-)

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Not sure if I should comment or not. Almost stopped reading when the childish taunts came out.

As for being entry level, well I'm in the process of building my first stocker after bracket racing all my life, it is not cheap or easy. Entry level though is only a comparison to other NHRA classes. So the real question is, what is the cheapest class to go NHRA racing?
Stock is NOT it.
I say this because it would of been easier/cheaper to throw a 460/c6 in my fox body and go 10.90 racing. Already have lots of stuff lying around. Heck, throw a ls in it for even cheaper! I love bracket racing and consider stock, the pinnacle (to me). I have zero interest in top fool or other heads up wallet races. Yes I have "junk" and will struggle to hit the index and I'm ok with that.

So, in my opinion, stock is not an "entry level" class, however, the lower classes are "entry level to stock"

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The issue is not rather Stock eliminator is the pinnacle of drag racing. Rather, why does a .90 D-Bag such as yourself feel compelled to live on the Stock/Superstock Forum?

Seems as though the "Truth" and "Facts" suggest you are one hell of an attention starved loser

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Posted by Keith;
My original comment is that bracket racing is the only real beginners class, be it trophy, street, jrs what have you. But that it is not an nhra class.


Totally agree!

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A fact is indisputable. Facts can be objectively verified and proven through evidence. Facts are not decided by how many people believe in them. They are concrete realities that don’t change. Facts are determined by objective, not subjective, measurement. As evidence mounts, facts become irrefutable. Over time, we acknowledge facts. We don’t create them.

Opinions, on the hand, are value judgments that expresses a feeling or view. They may or may not be supported by facts. Opinions rely on assumptions and are exceedingly dependent on the perspective of those holding them. They are also highly temporal and can change quickly when new information or facts become available. A deep commitment to an opinion doesn’t make it any more or less accurate.

Truth is created by people to describe how things really are. They are best described as a state of belief that is thought to represent a universal reality. We decide what truths we are willing to believe in. Truths don’t have to be logical or verifiable. They simply have to be shared. They can arise from faith, commitment, or experience. When like-minded people agree as to a given reality of how things are, then a truth emerges.

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Really? Considering you and I haven't had an in person conversation in at least 10 years,, so your claim is just that. I and I alone decided we would try super comp in 2017 and with the help of my friends Scotty Albrecht and Shawn Fricke, we've done very well!

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Pay no attention to me I don't care, simply ignore my posts or block & press on. But you can't, you have to reply to make yourself feel better.

A clown is much better than being a 1320racer forum(s) Idiot. That has to hide behind alias screen names on different forums.

Spring Fling Million race(s), I've done pretty well the 3 years entered. While you can only sit back & keyboard race about it. You could enter the same as I, but you & your Firechicken are scared.

You could have found me out West or even in the Mid-West & East coast, I didn't hide that I was coming. Again, you were busy being a keyboard loser/warrior.

Get with the program & stop being a loser/buffoon in the compete seat of your chicken little car.

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And I apologize i do not know Keith nor was I calling him a clown, it was just very ironic for Ed to call anyone a clown….

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You haven't won Pro ET at the Vegas Fling ever, you are just an also ran!

Further, you've only competed at the LVMS Fling because it's in your backyard and your home track. You have never competed at any other Fling race...this side of the Mississippi Bristol, Galot or National Trails nor any other notable big $ race hosted by any of the known promotors.

Again, you're a nobody and a clown!

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Thank you for trying to talk about the subject at hand. I think sportsman, pro, s/pro is the real beginner classes that spring board you into the NHRA sportsman ranks should you choose to. To go .90 or S/SS racing is a big jump from running your local bracket track. Not necessarily competition wise but money spent, travel, time off work, nicer/faster/upgraded car, better tow rig for long trips and camping. I'd say there isn't a beginner NHRA sportsman class but if I had to choose I'd still say SST because of I reasons I've already stated like low cost of building a competitive car etc.

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How about we expound on this, which is ,in fact, the subject of this thread.

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That's essentially what I said a bit ago. I agree with the statement.

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You don’t know me either

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Mark,
If you re-read my first few posts of the U/SA thread, this essentially what this is
about. See post # 30
But what I have learned by following that thread is that if you want to be top dog in any class you need to spend the time and the money to achieve that, even thought it's the lowest V8 class in Stock eliminator. There are some serious competitors in U/SA.
Being a dedicated A/SA racer for some time I invested significant resources into my program, by alas it's the same for every class. A through Z
Frank

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What would be the difference in cost of a Brad Van Lant '71 340 or a '65 273? Plus a ProTrans 904?

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Consider yourself lucky Mr. Stickles

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Super street is the beginner class as far as NHRA divisional or national events are concerned. Pretty much any super pro bracket car can compete in super street. There is very few rules. Any engine in any bodied car is legal. You have to meet the safety requirements but you also need to meet them at the bracket races too. You have to meet the minimum weight which I think is around 2800 lbs. Biggest difference in S/ST and bracket is the pro tree. Your car has to leave hard enough to cut the light. Then you have to run the number. Better be .010 and dead on to beat the hitters in that class. A good back half car with a fairly good small block could be a contender with a good driver.

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Where does the NHRA state that?

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I know exactly who you are

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No you don’t!

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It appears this thread went downhill pretty quick, going from opinions on an entry level class, to a d--k measuring contest.

For what it's worth, from a bracket racer who plans to jump into super stock neck deep this season. My plan from years ago had been to get into super street. It appeared I could turn a bracket car into super street much easier, (not saying I'd be very competitive), than building/buying a car, jumping into stock or super stock, or other .90 classes, with my limited knowledge of the classes and my very limited knowledge on making a class car competitive against others within the same index. I expect the competition in any class/category to be tough, but IMO, getting a car to run in a class appears a little more forgiving with super street, from rules/restrictions perspective. If I'm wrong, please correct me, as I have yet to run an NHRA class, aside from pro/super pro at bracket races.

Regarding how this thread, and some others, seem to devolve into something far from its intention, (crank measuring contest), maybe there should be a place on this forum, maybe the Lounge, where folks can go to talk trash and air their grievances towards each other.

Y'all have a great evening.

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I don’t think NHRA actually calls it a beginner class. Maybe that was the wrong choice of words. Let’s just say it is probably the simplest class to get involved if you already have a car that will run 10.90 and want to join in and race the division and national events.

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The simplest class to get into is stock eliminator made even easier starting in 2009 with the availability of factory produced by the Big 3, American made, stock eliminator cars. No more need to try and find a 50+ y/o "clean" car and search for the right engine, head castings, manifold and carb. Just order a new one or buy a used one and go race! NHRA LODRS racing doesn't get any easier! The good old days of factory hot rods, muscle cars are right now, race ready from day 1!

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buy a built super street car and have the easiest class to race in

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stock eliminator with it's median age of 65 y/o is a far easier class to race than super street. As a class, the reaction times appear to be that of entry level rather than those that have been racing 4 decades and longer and the top end driving is largely non existent sans the drivers under 40.;)

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Bullfeathers

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You must be delusional. LOL

Randy

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For me personally, S/St was alot easier for me to enter and learn. We were able to take our simple home built backhalved bracket car, put a mild 468 in it, add a throttle stop, weather station and I was on my way! I took my lumps big time the first couple of seasons while I learned, but it was an easy way to get into the NHRA points series.

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Personally, if I won a bajillion dollars, I'd run a stocker...it would just be nicer than anything I could build, lol. I went to the gators and spent all my time in the "back 40" in the grass with all the stockers. Met Harry Morgan, driver of the "underdog" escort and while we were talking the top fool or funny cars or something was running. Had zero interest. In fact spent all 4 days and never saw a single pass by anything other than Stock/SuperStock.

Entry level? No but to me it's the "next level" of bracket racing where I might have to run heads up. Cost is my concern, not because I don't have it, but because I'm cheap. Probably the reason I like the lower classes. Harry told me that day, "you know why I run an escort? Because I have as much in this whole car as he does (pointing at a 428CJ) and we run for the same prize money"
That stuck with me.

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****Spoiler Alert****
If you don't want to read, non-OP material, turn around & block my name or skip reading my post.

1320,

Your feeble delusional mind trying to make yourself feel better about being a loser.

Again, I've done well at Spring Fling Million. Best finish, lost in the finals of Pro. I'm good with that check & the other checks. Sure, beats keyboarding about it.

As for my racing East of the Mississippi, I've been able to win at multiple different tracks & multiple different states. Not to leave out West of the Mississippi, same scenario.

I'm fine with not attending the Fling races back East, wouldn't mind but it hasn't fit in my schedule. Anyway, of the many tracks raced back East. There were 2 big tracks I attended; one I raced at a couple times.

Now cupcake,

You stay East of the Mississippi, but you are more than welcome to come & race with me/us. Bring that Firechicken & show us how it's done. Remember, your performances last year were pathetic & that's being nice.

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mic drop

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Yeah, buying a new one and just going racing will get you under the index but you won't be competitive. That probably is the easiest way to punch your ticket in but quite an investment to find out if you like something or not.