Re: ET with and without wheelie.
 

No Ed, I've never raced anything faster than a 15 second car, I get nose bleeds.

Re: ET with and without wheelie.
 

Doug, the Brat has earned it's retirement. It's not going anywhere.

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Strange thing, I can understand what Ed and everyone else is saying and I think both sides are right. If you pick up or lose 60ft you should pick up or lose incremental and total down track as long as everything else remains the same, such as tune up and weather.
I think Ed's version of changing 60ft times relates to his shock settings, other guys I'm not sure of?
I'll add my own experience from last weekend where a timing change picked up my 60ft from 1.40 to 1.37 but the finish line et and mph were slightly slower.

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Dan, I'm not quite sure what you are disagreeing with. With "all things being equal", then the car "should" run the same 60', 330' and E.T.. If it doesn't then what changed?

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You should see a doctor about that condition. :D

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I could and should have been clearer. I quoted that statement to point out that some previous comments had brought up things that make runs NOT equal and it seemed like those were not being considered. Just like you described when things happen after the initial hit that will change what happens at the finish line.


Went back to find what you typed so as to avoid any further confusion.

" If you shift the car too high and the converter locks up OR you have too much low gear in the trans and you don't have enough wheel speed yet, it can "stagger" the car. Make it hesitate on the shift. A lot (not all) Racers with PGs try and shift the car low enough to "flash" the converter again. Especially in bad air.
In a Stocker with a PG, 60' times are irrelevant."

I got the idea that some might be ignoring the important issues you brought up.

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60 foot times are NEVER irrelevant as it relates to ET!

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Ed,
Please stop.
Frank

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It is simple physics with a massive amount of variables. You have a stationary object that is being measured by time over a distance. Whether or not a wheelie adds or reduces that time isn't a cookie cutter answer.

There are so many variables which impact each and every car. Some examples are power band, gear ratios, aerodynamics, traction, suspension, and parasitic loss.

Take the last three and apply it to whether or not a wheelie will impact the 60' and eventual ET. A wheelie may aid in traction by the transfer of weight, but it also may be wasted motion to some degree or it may alter the suspension/pinion angle enough to create more parasitic HP loss. Too tight of a front end may keep the engine from reaching the ideal power curve thus negatively impacting the 60'/ET.

Experimenting with different settings and setups will get you closer to the optimum performance and it what makes all of this challenging. It is frustrating a lot, but also gratifying when you see the improvements. It can be binary to some degree if you make limited changes with each pass.

Edited to add: Wheelies are flipping fun.

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How tight the frontend is can be very important to a lower-powered car that may just barely lift the front wheels or not lift them at all. Too tight and it can cause the car to struggle through low gear.

Yes, they are!

Re: ET with and without wheelie.
 

NARCISSIST. Look it up.That is all.

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That?s because to shortened the track. Try deep staging one time and see how much ET and MPH you lose.

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Ah, deep staging, that's another topic that will unravel a few here that don't understand why, don't understand what it does to the 60 foot time and ET and/or think it's cheating. :D

Yes, I deep staged my Chevelle for the entire time I raced it.

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claims to be involved in drag racing for 40 years

and still CLUELESS!!

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Without a data recorder to back that statement up, it's just opinion.

Oh and my data recorder proves that opinion to be incorrect.

Re: ET with and without wheelie.
 

I have a data recorder and the results conflict your OPINION.

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ain't my opinion, rather the FACTS and the TRUTH!

That said, internet forum talk is just that. Without the recorded data, graphs and corresponding time slips it's just your claim!

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I am not playing your games. You also have issues with reading comprehension. I said it may affect and did not make a blanket statement that it would in every case.

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I ain't playing games and read just fine, now you're backing peddling cause you can't backup your claims!

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I hope you can read better than you write.

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El Douche is back, aka imakehp aka Dave Kemblowski from DRR a pathetic old man that ain't ever done shyt on the track and no longer races, he had a reputation of being a hack with 1 reviewer referring to him as a "churlish slob" when he owned The Balance Shop in Cali and his only reason for posting on Class Racer is to bait me, having joined this forum on 1-14-24 with 15 of his current 16 posts commenting about me/my replies while he attempts to hide behind a computer screen, scared to own his comments. He's a self proclaimed billy badass that never got respect in the racing community and clearly was bullied in school with that last name.

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Not about the narcissist comment. I was married to one for 50 years. I know the signs. Why would you think I'm talking about you anyway? Have you been called one before? Seem a little defensive?

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you're balless too:p

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Let look at a car that has a frontal area of 25 sq ft and runs 12.0 @ 113.14, 60 Foot ET = 1.7851 - MPH = 40.09

If the wheel stand cause the frontal area to increase to 50 sq ft (doubles), but you can't use any added wheel thrust then 60 Foot ET = 1.7872 - MPH = 39.98 MPH

Stan


PS Let add that the 1.7851 60 foot number is with 12 inches of rollout. With 6 inches of rollout the 60 foot time would be 1.8532

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Also a trait. Insults if disagreed with. Hmmm.

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At least you recognize what you did and why

Re: ET with and without wheelie.
 

Hey guys there is incredible amount of experience on this page. Please respect one another, if you need to talk smack to each other do it on private message or better yet call each other on the phone and you can let it rip and get it out of your system.

The only other thing to do is get a swimming pool fill it with mud and water and you guys can take it out on each other in muddy water, aka mud wrestling.

And one more thing understand that manufacturers also visit this site as well.

Re: ET with and without wheelie.
 

Good luck on your wishes nickh! I don't see it happening. :rolleyes:

Tommy d, KNOWS! ;)

Re: ET with and without wheelie.
 

A Superstocker has the abilities to adjust the four link / 🔗 and has better front suspension than most all stockers except for factory race cars..
Stockers become very sensitive to front end weights / limits/ tire pressure and shock tuning but then again so does the stock rear suspension / tires etc.
Shoe polish racing and heads up are two separate cars.
JMO.

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and none of that has any to do with the OP’s question. Further, the OP never stated what type of car.. Talk about what you know, not what you think you know!

Re: ET with and without wheelie.
 

So you're just talking in general because there is no real car to talk about while you demean and verbally abuse other members for talking in general about their own personal experiences.
Well that's good for business.

Re: ET with and without wheelie.
 

You need to look at your G-meter -that will show you what is really going on

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Now that makes sense.

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Wrong again! It’’s a safe bet the car in question is a stock/super stock type car, meaning stock suspension or back halved which is in my wheelhouse and the demeaning and verb abuse your crying about goes both ways!

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So you're assuming?

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As is everyone replying to this thread in the Stock and Super Stock forum .

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Billy,
I believe it can be summed up in one word.

verb: pontificate;
/p?nˈtifəˌkāt/

express one's opinions in a way considered annoyingly pompous and dogmatic.

Stan

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Again, stanley what part of the TRUTH and the FACTS don't you like?

Please continue to try inform us with your desk top dyno formula's while I speak from 1st hand on track experience gather over 3 decades with cars that I own(ed), I built and race, cars that launch wheels up and break the 60 foot beam with any part of the car I want it including the back tires.

here's my former Chevelle, 3880 lbs. launched off the footbrake, 10" tire, stock/bolt-on suspension that has 60 footed 1.28!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbKYio6OvKM

and my Firebird from a few years ago, competing at the largest door car race in history, over 600 cars, where it was chosen Best Engineered!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1r2EEF-hLI0

Again 2, The Proof is in the Performance, show us Your car that you race that wheelies! We know you can't because you don't have one!!

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3300 lb stick car 9 in tires cal tracs double adj both ends 1.42 10.46 60 ft 127 mph

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FINALLY the mask comes off! stocker or bracket car?

What engine, what gear, whose shocks? Dead hooking or spinning the tire?