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asking this because i can't tell from the above pictures but is the hole in the firewall for the brake rod to the offset master cylinder modified in these pictures? previous pictures i have seen the hole is hogged out on the left side and i had to do that on my clone. dave

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HM --- The black paint that is evident on the door jambs could either be the original paint that Chrysler put on in 68 or could it be the black that the car was POSSIBLY painted while it was in Mt. Kisco?????.
I am really glad they took the incentive to tape up that original door sticker. You look at it today, it doesn't really fit the condition with the rest of the car because it looks old & a little beat up. But I'd rather have the original on there looking like that rather than a shiney new decal any day. For those that don't know what this decal says:

"This vehicle was not manufactured for use on public roads, streets, or highways, and as such does not conform to motor vehicle safety standards".

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/.../DoorDecal.jpg

For the past while, I've been wondering if I should post the pictures on the net for all the world to see of the restoration of my car. I decided to do it, because I've got nothing to hide with this car, & it's really cool that someone went to this extreme back in the 80's to restore a car. I'd even go out on a limb & say it's probably the first Hurst car to go through something like this, as they just didn't have much of a following back then. Very few people had interest in these things, and for the most part just saw them as beat up old race cars of no real significance. They had a very small following back then, but for those of us that did see they were something out of the norm, it's what I call pure dedication to these old war horses. It's this dedicatilon from people such as Tim Hennessey that "pioneered" the returned interest of these cars.
I'm going to be posting pictures of the complete restoration process this car went through when Tim Hennessey owned it in the 80's. These have never been on the internet before. Maybe they'll help someone in the future.

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http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...l/IMG_0006.jpg

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...l/IMG_0007.jpg

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...l/IMG_0008.jpg

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I don't believe they are cut out or modified. I checked on the old pix I have & don't see any mods to the cutout either. Maybe, the original style of offset does not have as much offset as the current available reproductions??? I'm only quessing tho

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...oorpan1985.jpg

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...rpan-11985.jpg

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...l/IMG_0025.jpg

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You know I was wondering about this for awhile now, is it me or am I seeing things...in some of the old photos I'm seeing splashes of a blueish - greenish color by the door decal, splashed on the side of the dash, on the door jamb by the door stricker etc, or maybe it could be just primer...it could be that the photo's are just old and the color is off, but it sure looks like a different color to me in some of those shots, because I see traces of blueish - greenish spots and also some red - brown under that black paint, I'm just sayin'...also I don't know if I mentioned this before but have you ever tried chipping off the old paint off the rocker seam lip that hangs down, where the floor pan meets...any old paint is usually caked on there pretty good if it hasn't been blasted already, and judging by the old photos it looks like the rocker panels weren't touched.

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...l/IMG_0001.jpg

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/.../DoorDecal.jpg

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Good ideas, but I don't believe there was any of the old paint left, don't know for sure tho, & I just wouldn't be able to start scratching around on this thing looking for old paint. The paint on it today, looks almost as good as it did when it was painted in 1986. You'll see why I don't want to start scratching on this thing in the next few posts.
HM, the blueish green colors your seeing is not your eyes,but it's not the true colors either. They're from the old Kodak slides that I converted.

"Liteweight,
Nice shots of the restoration process on the '68 Hemi Dart...I see lots of sand still located on the floor boards, and also see that they didn't blast the black paint off the side of the firewall bulkhead and door jam by the door striker...and that he also taped off the Chrysler door decal stating this vehicle does not conform to public highways...but I do have one question though, so when you do find out the origins of your Hemi Dart, will you repaint it to it's original race paint colors. - HM."

Almost forgot to answer that. Not all the original paint schemes are something that I'd remove this paint for tho. You gotta admit there were some bad ones. I hope I'm given that choice. I quess, I'll have to see IF that opportunity is ever presented to me

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http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...l/IMG_0009.jpg

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...l/IMG_0010.jpg

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Can't wait to see this evolution!!!!!!

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Not sure if anyone took notice, but check out the quality of the install of those inner wheel tubs. They sit flush with the frame rails & allow for operational trunk hinges..These will now accomodate a 14X32, easy, without moving frame rails & still retain the "factory" appearance in the trunk. It's a look these cars just have, that I believe puts the nasty into the term attitude.

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http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...l/IMG_0010.jpg

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...l/IMG_0012.jpg

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Dave
I believe the 64,65 cars were race orange, & the 68 cars were street orange.


I'm going to repost this decal picture again, in hopes of someone that'll respond.
My current plan to this search is to locate the track in the NED that actually held this particular championship. The location is probably in an old National Dragster, Popular Hot Rodding, Hot Rod magazine,etc,etc.. There could be a picture, or even a name attached to the driver of this 68 Hemi Dart. Not sure but don't think there were alot of these cars that competed in a bracket race back then with hemi's still in them. I know this one did, because the original K member was still in the car when Hennessey purchased it in 85.
I would REALLY appreciate if someone could have a look at their old collections from 1977

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http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...acingdecal.jpg

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Yeah it would be nice if someone could look through their old National Dragsters and spot a old photo or find some additional info about the car...maybe repost that pic in the regular forums and ask if anyone remembers seeing this car racing in division 1, (a NED 1 thread)...also I was thinking isn't Bob Fry from that division, he's a walking dictionary, it's a worth a shot.

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Daryl, I wonder if that quarter window with the decal was plexi , thin corning or regular quarter glass. thx for the headsup on engine paint pal!

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back to the division 1 stuff, on nhra website there is a division track locator (member track locater) that includes a lot of tracks that were in business back then. but knowing you , you probably have done this already.

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Bob Fry lives in new jersey.

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That decal was attached to Corning Glass

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Thanx Dave
No, I haven't till tonite. Didn't have any success finding the locator.
I did get a PM tonite saying that the Bracket Nationals were held in York US 30 that year. I've started searching/ google, but so far no luck on that meet. I'm still thinking a National Dragster is going to be a good source. Back to google

A couple more pix. Sorry the quality on some of these is not the best

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http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...l/IMG_0011.jpg

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...l/IMG_0013.jpg

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Liteweight, do you have this SS&DI issue...there's an article on the race and the author might have some additional info or have some old photos of this event.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Super-Stock-...item4d0055c4eb

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Also I must make a correction, the spelling for his name is Bob Frey, and he writes articles for drag race central...you might be able to snag an e-mail for him on there some wheres...

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you can try contacting dave milcarek www.davemilcarek.com he has been taking photos at englishtown since the 1970's, i know that englishtown had its own photo shop/area when i was a kid where you could get any picture they had blown up to near life size. here is another web site http://dragracingimagery.com looks like it may hold something? send an e mail and ask if they have a collection of pictures not listed?

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Or Steve Bell he and Dave work together.

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Liteweight, search nhra member track directory...that will get you there.

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thanx guys

marfen - doh----- found NED current member tracks. gotta go to each site & make contact

Dennis Chapman---- left my contact info on a couple sites to locate Bob Frey contact

Danny Durham ---- made contact with Phil Burgess @ National Dragster, waiting for response

Hemi Moose ---- ebay SS&DI circa 1977. contacted seller,reponse- no info on 1977 Bracket Nationals in that issue

jimmi-- left my contact info with Dave Milcarek Photography & am currently searching the Drag Racing Imagery site

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http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...l/IMG_0015.jpg

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...l/IMG_0025.jpg

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just got a pm from a member with this attachment. Very Cool & probably has everyhing I need in it. now just gotta find one.

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http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedi...cing-101848655

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http://images.cloud.worthpoint.com/w...998e61ecfc.jpg

Nice find...so anyone else out there have one of these for sale.

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Anyone got pictures of John Brown's hemi darts? 1980s? He was @ Pennsylvania. Ran them at salem Ohio supercar showdown.
Any old pics of a hemi dart with metallic gold and metallic dark blue. could be just lower part of car these colors. thx

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finally had time to scan some pictures. whos dart is this? connecticut dragway 1983-84?

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I am doing a clone right now and I was wanting to do something like this with the inner wheel tubs. I had heard that the originals were hammered flush to the frame. Is this correct? Could you possibly send me some info or pics on how you did yours? They look great!

Sam
surelink@att.net

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Sam

No they were not hammered flush with frame rails from Hurst. They opened the outer quarter openings & installed offset spring hangers, I believe 3/4".
Mine are cut down the center, placed against the frame rail & the gap filled with sheet metal

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Thanks for the info on that. What shade is the red you are using? Is it a original color?

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It is an original 68 color. I believe R6,

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http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...l/IMG_0018.jpg


http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...l/IMG_0017.jpg

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looks like Eddie Lucas old dart without the "over the hill gang "lettering.

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jimi
did you ever find any pics. of my car??

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nothing yet , i have two more boxes to go through , the boxes i remember the pics being in are missing but hopefully i will come across something.

found this!

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how about this one? found this pic in with all the pics from dover dragstrip. three point roll bar , darryl your dart had a three point roll bar in it when my dad got it, we took it out and put it in my station wagon "the behemoth".

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jimi
Thanx for the pic. Not much to go by cept the mounting of that fuel pressure gauge , tach drive cable, & coil. By the looks of the fuel line location pointing to the ps apron, I'd think it was going to a cool can???? Kinda looks like the firewall above the pinchweld may have been body color???? Hard to tell. I'm going to check for comparisons tonight, see if theres still holes, or if they've been repaired.
Your right, my car had a 3 point bar in it for sure. I believe it was a Lakewood???. It was bright red, anyways, with an extinguisher attached to it. You can see where the plates were mounted on the floor pan. I have pictures with the bar still in it when Paul Pittman stripped it for paint, but they were sent to me as a pdf file, & I can't seem to post them here. Any suggestions HM???
Jimi, you want me to email them to you??

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here's a couple more shots of the restoration from the 80's


http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...l/IMG_0016.jpg

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...l/IMG_0014.jpg

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Nope...

http://classracer.com/classforum/att...6&d=1335915547

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Any way to find out who's number (730) that was?

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you can also see the 3rd front hood pin added in the middle, the line lock on the lh inner fender. Looks like the paint on the cowl was oversprayed up to the firewall. Wiper motor and pivots still there. Cool pic! No tach mounted on the dashpad.

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I have one picture of Charlie Castaldo's 2nd Dart with 730 painted on the side window.
Mark J

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Is this Charlie Castaldo's second Hemi Dart or not, because everyone here has said it was in previous posts...now raced by Sprouis & Costello in these photos...notice there's no marker lights in the rear quarter panels and where the gauges are mounted.

http://images52.fotki.com/v727/photo.../img536-vi.jpg

http://images50.fotki.com/v1527/phot.../img633-vi.jpg

http://images52.fotki.com/v733/photo.../img664-vi.jpg

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Thanx Mark . Glad you caught that.

HM
Charlie Castaldo sold his 2nd (auto) Dart to Ralph Costello who campaigned it for a while on a limited budjet in A/MP. He purchased alot of his race Hemi parts from Charlie, Great pictures once again

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Castaldo's first car. Stick car crashed/rolled at E town 69'
http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...and%20BO/8.jpg

Castaldo's second Dart Auto
http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...and%20BO/2.jpg

Castaldo's Auto
http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...and%20BO/3.jpg



When Castaldo campaigned it in A/MP

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...and%20BO/4.jpg

When Ralph Costello owned it
http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...and%20BO/5.jpg

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...and%20BO/6.jpg

As it sits today with current owner
http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/...and%20BO/7.jpg

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