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W J 07-07-2009 12:32 PM
Re: 2010 Camaro / 425 HP
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ed OBrien (Post 128647)
Who's stock ? There's several ways to look at this stock stuff . LOL Have a nice day
Sir, w/all respect, what I meant by "stock" was: stock whls and tires, stock clutch, stock computer tune, and stock weight....NOT NHRA stock. I love the car...we're lucky they produced it... but GM, w/the new Camaro, has made it difficult for 1/4 mi. racer fun once again, for both novice and pro. The car's weight, the IRS rear, a brake/caliper combination so large that 20" wheels are mandatory, factory computer tune way too conservative, along with a very weak clutch.... Pure stock, things mentioned above, these LS3 cars are running low 14's--high 13's at best w/ 60 ft.s of 2.0 and higher. W/a computer tune that eliminates some big time torque management, and a awesome-shifting driver, a FEW are running low 13's, which is about the same as the '98-'02 LS1 F-bodies were running--stock. It's my opinion only, that they surely need a strong straight axle rear, w/somewhat down-sized rear brakes,which would solve the problem of putting a decent gear, a lightweight wheel/good-hooking tire on the car, shedding considerable weight at the same time...I don't know, probably GM could care less about us weekend warrior drag racers...Then, who knows, maybe M/T or someone else will start making great hooking 20" drag radials and some will make the IRS setup work...It should be interesting to see who is 1st to have these things flying at the track...just my .02 cents worth, from the land of non-altitude-adjusted et's... Have a nice day. ;) WJ

FlyByNight 07-07-2009 07:06 PM
Re: 2010 Camaro / 425 HP
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron E (Post 128229)
Is it a good 800 lbs. overweight like the Challenger?
Yes, SS cars weigh 4100+. The Challenger 6cyl is actually lighter than the Camaro 6cyl though, around 3900.

Here is how to get 1000lbs out of them though (drag pack spec's)

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 Approximately 1000 lbs lighter than production vehicle.
o No body sealer / sound deadener / undercoat.
o No windshield wiper assembly.
o No HVAC system.
o No rear seats.
o No power steering system.
o No underbody heat shields.
o No fuel tank assembly.
o No exhaust system.
 Composite liftoff hood with functional scoop.
 Polycarbonate door and quarter windows.
 Smart Glass door window system.
 Solid engine mounts.
 Engine repositioned to optimize driveline angle and improve weight distribution.
 Seats to accommodate 6-point harness.
 Wheelbase Shortened 13mm. (rear axle moved forward)
 Special modified K-Member with drop out crossmember.
 Lightweight drag race only front brake assembly.
 Manual rack and pinion steering.
 Front chin spoiler.
 Lightweight cooling module with electric fan.
 Lightweight Instrument Panel Assy.
 Special cable operated deck lid release.
 Special cable operated throttle pedal and linkage.
Ive spoken to guys that work on the line in the plant, they cant believe all the layers upon of layers of sound deadening that goes into them, even they believe it to be excessive...and heavy.

Bobby Brannon 07-07-2009 07:49 PM
Re: 2010 Camaro / 425 HP
 
It's a VERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRY SOUND car.. 100 mph it is QUITE. VERRRRRRRRRRY Nice RIDE

Bobby DiDomenico 07-08-2009 06:47 AM
Re: 2010 Camaro / 425 HP
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Brannon (Post 128855)
It's a VERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRY SOUND car.. 100 mph it is QUITE. VERRRRRRRRRRY Nice RIDE
Of course the race track you did this on was really smooth right?

Troy Henderson 07-08-2009 07:26 AM
Re: 2010 Camaro / 425 HP
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by W J (Post 128806)
Sir, w/all respect, what I meant by "stock" was: stock whls and tires, stock clutch, stock computer tune, and stock weight....NOT NHRA stock. I love the car...we're lucky they produced it... but GM, w/the new Camaro, has made it difficult for 1/4 mi. racer fun once again, for both novice and pro. The car's weight, the IRS rear, a brake/caliper combination so large that 20" wheels are mandatory, factory computer tune way too conservative, along with a very weak clutch.... Pure stock, things mentioned above, these LS3 cars are running low 14's--high 13's at best w/ 60 ft.s of 2.0 and higher. W/a computer tune that eliminates some big time torque management, and a awesome-shifting driver, a FEW are running low 13's, which is about the same as the '98-'02 LS1 F-bodies were running--stock. It's my opinion only, that they surely need a strong straight axle rear, w/somewhat down-sized rear brakes,which would solve the problem of putting a decent gear, a lightweight wheel/good-hooking tire on the car, shedding considerable weight at the same time...I don't know, probably GM could care less about us weekend warrior drag racers...Then, who knows, maybe M/T or someone else will start making great hooking 20" drag radials and some will make the IRS setup work...It should be interesting to see who is 1st to have these things flying at the track...just my .02 cents worth, from the land of non-altitude-adjusted et's... Have a nice day. ;) WJ

That's a good point. I wonder what they stop like with big and littles on 15" wheels. Any pictures if that even looks right?

Bobby Brannon 07-08-2009 12:32 PM
Re: 2010 Camaro / 425 HP
 
No problems stopping

Clay Arnett 07-09-2009 12:12 PM
Re: 2010 Camaro / 425 HP
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyByNight (Post 128850)
Yes, SS cars weigh 4100+. The Challenger 6cyl is actually lighter than the Camaro 6cyl though, around 3900.

Here is how to get 1000lbs out of them though (drag pack spec's)

Ive spoken to guys that work on the line in the plant, they cant believe all the layers upon of layers of sound deadening that goes into them, even they believe it to be excessive...and heavy.
I'm not sure where you got your weights but your off by a bit. Here are the weights for the most powerful version of each car.

Mustang GT500 3,920lb
Camaro SS 3,860lb
Challenger SRT8 4,140lb

Now the v-6 versions.
Mustang 3,545lb
Camaro 3,728lb
Challenger 3,819lb

W J 07-09-2009 02:33 PM
Re: 2010 Camaro / 425 HP
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ed OBrien (Post 129164)
WJ
If someone makes a real Stocker out of one none of the things you talked about will be an issue and with the wt. looks like they can stay away from the Fords for a while . Have a nice day
Mr. O'Brien,
I'm sure we'll see the 2010 Camaro running in NHRA stock and stock/automatic before too long, once it's determined where they will be put....(they do really need a good diet). Something that looks that fast, will definitely be made to go real fast....once the boys here get ahold of a few of them...:D Best wishes. WJ

Bobby Brannon 07-09-2009 10:37 PM
Re: 2010 Camaro / 425 HP
 
You might not see a Camaro any time soon.. No one to promote[ CHEVY employees] the HP issue.. @400 hp needs to be rated @ 325 [auto] 425 stick [350] which should be equal to Challenger.. Unless you buy a fullly loaded Camaro to build you can not order a strip down model. I put mine on the lift and well it neat but alot of work to build. NHRA needs to help with this combo.. It WOULD make a nice race car

W J 07-10-2009 07:53 AM
Re: 2010 Camaro / 425 HP
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobby Brannon (Post 129235)
You might not see a Camaro any time soon.. No one to promote[ CHEVY employees] the HP issue.. @400 hp needs to be rated @ 325 [auto] 425 stick [350] which should be equal to Challenger.. Unless you buy a fullly loaded Camaro to build you can not order a strip down model. I put mine on the lift and well it neat but alot of work to build. NHRA needs to help with this combo.. It WOULD make a nice race car
A friend has a auto. Says he wants to make it go 11's and still be streetable. He's already done e.f.i. live computer tuning, Yank 3600 converter. Needs some tires, gear and headers, and it should, 3900+ raceweight and all ...time will tell. WJ


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