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Re: I'm confused about IHRA's Sportsman friendliness

While I'm on the soap box
My car is "Stickered" up pretty good.

IHRA Divisional right now pays me $1,900 with sticker money.

NHRA Divisional right now pays me $2,300 with sticker money.

It may change a hundred or so with the change of a product or two.

Not much difference in my opinion.

One more thing I understand your gripe about round money. I think IHRA pays $80 after 2nd rd win then $40 a round.
If you have 8 cars in SS you get beat in the semis you get 0. What did you expect for only winning 1 rd????????????????????????

Got to go I'm not a "KEYBOARD JOCKEY" I'm going racing today.
Chip Johnson

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I dont see what all the fuss is about, do Bertozzi and Fletcher care ? They run both along with a growing bunch of others. Are they any easier to beat at an ihra track ? The money is green if you are lucky enough to get some what diff dose it make who it came from. I have read over and over on this site "We race for fun" and to be with our friends and the money is secondary. So which is it ? Money or Fun ?

On another subject, I feel for you guys up north, its been cold as heck here but its suppose to get in the 70 starting today.

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Originally Posted by THE LEGEND (Post 239747)

IHRA Divisional right now pays me $1,900 with sticker money.
NHRA Divisional right now pays me $2,300 with sticker money.
Not much difference in my opinion.

...only when you start looking at 2 races in 2 days vs 1 race in 3 days, the number of days off work, and the number of rounds need to win the race. If a race takes even 1 less round to win, your percentage chance of winning the race rises dramatically.

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If you have 8 cars in SS you get beat in the semis you get 0. What did you expect for only winning 1 rd????????????????????????

And oh, BTW, NHRA's payout structure is the same (compare NHRA Div. 2 and IHRA Div. 2) There is no "semi-finalist" money. It's Win, R/U, and then Rnd Lost. With 8 cars, NHRA semis = $0 ($160 in the hole) and IHRA semis = $0 ($135 in the hole). With 16 cars, NHRA semis = $100 (-$60 in the hole) and IHRA = $80 (-$55 in the hole). Super Stock in NHRA: $1,000 Win, $500 R/U, IHRA: $1,100 Win, $500 R/U. Stock in NHRA: $1,000 Win, $500 R/U, IHRA $1,000 Win, $400 R/U.

Seriously, the math isn't that hard. Car counts: THAT's up to the masses.

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How is everyone missing the point? Lets say 16 cars show up in T/S, and 16 in SS. The track pays out $7900 to T/S and $2,300 to SS. Oh, we need more cars. Lets say 32 SS cars show up, Now they pay $2,500 out to SS, 64 cars equals a $3,100 payout. Thats not even half of what they pay T/S no matter how many show up. What do you think, more than 64 cars makes a difference? Try and tell me its the lack of support that causes low payouts again!

Whats so special about a T/S car anyway? You can't tell me that the avg Joe that comes out prefers watching T/S over S/SS. I'm not bashing them. They are cool in thier own right, but Its that kind of second best attitude that lets this kind abuse happen. Maybee some of you should look into cuckoldry with your attitudes toward this.

I'm not mad at IHRA, just can't afford to travel with this kind of possible winnings. I believe alot of people feel the same way, which explains the low car counts. My goal here is not to ruin IHRA's image. I really want them to succeed. I love going to their races. Look it up. I have just as much fun, even with less cars, and I sure wouldn't mind parking way in the back if a bunch of cars show up. With the kind of excitement about a $5000 guarantee, and $10,000 later this year, seems that if IHRA would throw a little equality in thier payout plan, then maybee, just maybee more cars will show. NHRA is just as bad, but not on thier NATIONAL event payout

Whenever you sit down to plan your schedule for the year, Tell me you don't figure in risk vs reward. If you answer no, then your one of the few who can trully afford to go no matter if you blew an engine on every pass.

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Yeah, apparently alot of people missed that this is IHRA's national event payout

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Unfortunately (and it pains me to say this) the average spectator DOES get more excited watching T/S (Probably not T/D though...who could get excited about an engine on a stick). Not all spectators at the races the last several years even know what a stocker or S/S is as far as rules go. The demographics are getting younger every year. They just like the fast Pro Stock looking cars running 6 and 7 second at over 200 MPH. Handicap starts that are no different than the S/S and stockers. Wahtch the crowd the next time you are where some quality cars of each catagory are running.

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Originally Posted by Michael Beard (Post 239345)

No, you can't. Please read the rulebook. (and for the record, I said the same thing in the late '90s... "Why don't we just build a Comp-legal chassis and show up to collect our qualifying money?", as they had short fields at the time.) If that's what you want to do, go build a T/S car, a Comp car, or a TA/FC and rake in your hoards of Qualifying money.

TS and TD have been a staple of IHRA for many many years, and have only recently fell prone to short car counts, and they still do fine in many areas. Some of the qualified fields have been really good shows.

Why does SS get paid more than Stock? Why does Comp get paid more than SS or S? Why does T/AD and TA/FC get paid more than Comp, SS and S? :rolleyes: Seriously, this is kind of scraping the barrel on trying to find something to complain about, in my opinion. Then again, if that's the only thing we have to complain about, what's the problem?

Correct. You can call it "semifinals" all you want, but the driver in that situation still only won TWO rounds. 4th round loser with 16 cars would be R/U and get sticker money. What's 4th round loser get you anywhere else on the planet?

I swear, some people will only be happy with $100 entry fees to run for $10,000, get 6 time shots, and have no other classes on the grounds other than Stock and Super Stock.

Kinda tired of the whole "IHRA has low car counts" BS. Well if people would GET OFF THE COUCH and GO to the races (like Hagen has), there would BE big car counts. More cars = more payout and more sponsors. Everybody that keeps complaining about all of NHRA's enhancements are doing nothing but feeding that which they claim to hate. I call BS. I think those people LOVE complaining. Maybe if IHRA made you show up on Wednesday, charged you double, parked you a mile from the staging lanes, charged you for pit vehicles, charged you for trash, charged you for waste oil, mandated mufflers, mandated diapers, started at 7:30am then ran you at 11pm, didn't prep the track, allowed Hemi cars to run heads-up with small blocks, didn't put you on TV, and just generally treated you like crap, people would FLOCK to the gates. GIVE ME A BREAK. So REALLY? You're going to complain about what some OTHER class is getting paid? What on earth does T/S payouts have to do with IHRA's friendliness?

I'm with you all the way Michael...You gonna make Baton Rouge FRIDAY? And they don't charge for waste oil, trash, beer cans etc, etc. Good event hope you can make it.

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Originally Posted by Hagen Gary (Post 239374)

I can't call either organization more friendly than the other. Sure, IHRA is more layed back, cuz nobody shows up. IHRA spends more time with you, cuz nobody shows up. IHRA starts late and ends early, cuz nobody shows up. You park close, cuz nobody shows up. You get it? I have never had a problem with either org. besides the payout structure. Its broken in both. But this is just a slap in the face. Its not my fault if nobody shows, but how can you feel good about paying the same to get in the gate and T/S gets 6 times as much as a SS car in the semis if the same number of cars show up? Give me a break, I could have a competative car in T/S or T/D for the same money in my SS. What makes them so special? I guess if I had a brick with a CM in it, I could call it a stocker and load it up on my open trailer and feel ok with the payout. But I don't want to and a great majority of the people IHRA needs to suport them don't either.

You answered your own question. I know our T/S -Outlaw car we race every now and then when we can AFFORD to, is because it costs a whole helluva lot more money to build and maintain a T/S car then most SS. Guess that is why they pay out more. Isn't that any class anywhere? The faster you run, the more money you get. Makes sense to me.

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Originally Posted by Hagen Gary (Post 239766)

How is everyone missing the point? Lets say 16 cars show up in T/S, and 16 in SS. The track pays out $7900 to T/S and $2,300 to SS.

NHRA pays a ton of money to TA/D and TA/FC, too. What's that have to do with S/SS? They are different classes. They have different payouts. Promoters have to make decisions about what they think the show is. If they see no return on investment, then obviously they will change things. While the disparity is not as great, SS and QR also get paid more than Stock, SR, and HR. They are different classes. They have different payouts.

Question is, if there was no T/S, T/D, TA/D, or TA/FC to compare to, would we even be having this discussion? S/SS payouts are not too crazy out of whack in and of themselves. (IHRA actually ends up paying back a higher percentage of the gate than NHRA). Yes, some classes have issues and don't enjoy the support they once did, and the sanctioning bodies have been trying to find the answer to that, if there is one, but just because one doesn't understand the history, why's, and wherefore's of a class and its particulars doesn't mean that it has any bearing on another class. Flip it around. Pay everybody like T/S, and see how long promoters can keep the doors open. It's not about paying SS more, it's about, "can they afford to continue paying TS like they are?"

Kinda glad I'm not in Bradenton. They started eliminations yesterday, and after 4PM today, they're STILL only in Rnd 3 of S/G. Ridiculous.

No Baton Rouge for me, and probably no Gainesville, either. Inundated with work. Skipping Bradenton allowed me to knock a big hole in my workload, but I need one more good week like that to get back to where I can afford to take the *time* to go. 1st Quarter is always my busiest time of year.

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Originally Posted by Michael Beard (Post 239822)

Kinda glad I'm not in Bradenton. They started eliminations yesterday, and after 4PM today, they're STILL only in Rnd 3 of S/G. Ridiculous.

Well, if you're going to run some NHRA events this year, you better get used to it. By my count, there are about 375 cars at Bradenton.

Do you think IHRA would be able to run a doubleheader in two days with 400 cars?

-Toby